[Doghouse]

My way to buy a car.

Find out invoice for my options.

Find out List.

Decide what it "fair". Hell if it is a premium car it is worth a few extra.

Present this to the dealer and ask if he wants to sell the car.

(I have yet to have them say no.)

Sell trade in on your own.

If there is any problem, take the printed price back and say "You know if selling this car for that price is going to make you bankrupt, I guess I will have to see if xxxxx wants my money." Walk away! Make them stop you.