[helomech]

Thanks, I am going for ear shots now. The old winchester silvertips I was using had awesome knock down power but would not hold better than 1.5 " at 100 yards. That is why I switched, I wanted to do 3 shot groups, but at 31 dollars a box of 20 I decided to try 2 shot groups. I still used 1.5 boxes of ammo, and I am still not sighted in.