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PHOEBISIS · 11-27-2004, 11:55 AM

I not sure that Special Forces guys use 45's.If you mean "Green Berets",I bet they use 9 mm just like the rest of the army.Government agencies??Most police departments use the 40. If you mean Fed agencies,I really don't know what they use.
Now if you are talking about Swat Teams,and armed forces elite teams-Delta,Seals etc,yeah,I think you are correct.I have seen them with what look like modified 1911 style 45's.My guess is that they soldiers might be limited to hardball (so they prefer a bigger hole),and the Swat and the Soldiers want max penetration,and aren't very concerned with overpenetration since they usually know where their bullets are going.They are also experts and will shoot you more than once, so they really don't worry about 1 shot stops-the second and 3rd bullet will hit the target so quickly it won't matter that the 1st might not immediately incapacitate the "woundee".Bottom line-they want penetration to defeat clothing,wood,glass,sheetmetal etc.
For home-car self defence the 40 or a 9mm with the right bullet is just as good,and you can have 1.5 times as many shots.In most "street shootings" by civilians(and cops) most bullets don't hit the target-more ammo is a big plus.
I sometimes wonder about the SWAT guys with their race gun type 1911's.I think"fashion"- not data-dictates their choice of weapon.The more accurate you make a 1911,the less reliable it becomes.Once you dial all the play out of these guns,they tend to jam.You can get a very,very crisp,light trigger pull with the 1911's and you can make them supremely accurate,but there are better calibers and guns(glock or sigs in 40 or 9mm) for amateur self defense.Charlie
PS I'm not saying the 1911 isn't a very good self defense pistol,just that there are better ones.A plain Jane well shot in unmodified Gold Cup(or the Kimber-Springfield equivalent) is pretty nice in that respect-nice trigger,plenty accurate,but still reliable.I think they once had problems with that barrel bushing,but that has been resolved.I doubt that Colt actually makes their own guns in their own factory now,but maybe they do.

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PHOEBISIS Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Special Forces might have to use hardball.Gov agencies?? I not sure that Special Forces guys use 45's.If you mean "Green Berets",I bet they use 9 mm just like the rest of the army.Government agencies??Most police departments use the 40. If you mean Fed agencies,I really don't know what they use. Now if you are talking about Swat Teams,and armed forces elite teams-Delta,Seals etc,yeah,I think you are correct.I have seen them with what look like modified 1911 style 45's.My guess is that they soldiers might be limited to hardball (so they prefer a bigger hole),and the Swat and the Soldiers want max penetration,and aren't very concerned with overpenetration since they usually know where their bullets are going.They are also experts and will shoot you more than once, so they really don't worry about 1 shot stops-the second and 3rd bullet will hit the target so quickly it won't matter that the 1st might not immediately incapacitate the "woundee".Bottom line-they want penetration to defeat clothing,wood,glass,sheetmetal etc. For home-car self defence the 40 or a 9mm with the right bullet is just as good,and you can have 1.5 times as many shots.In most "street shootings" by civilians(and cops) most bullets don't hit the target-more ammo is a big plus. I sometimes wonder about the SWAT guys with their race gun type 1911's.I think"fashion"- not data-dictates their choice of weapon.The more accurate you make a 1911,the less reliable it becomes.Once you dial all the play out of these guns,they tend to jam.You can get a very,very crisp,light trigger pull with the 1911's and you can make them supremely accurate,but there are better calibers and guns(glock or sigs in 40 or 9mm) for amateur self defense.Charlie PS I'm not saying the 1911 isn't a very good self defense pistol,just that there are better ones.A plain Jane well shot in unmodified Gold Cup(or the Kimber-Springfield equivalent) is pretty nice in that respect-nice trigger,plenty accurate,but still reliable.I think they once had problems with that barrel bushing,but that has been resolved.I doubt that Colt actually makes their own guns in their own factory now,but maybe they do.