I need a complete OEM exhaust system from a cat back

[HieuP1210]

My 04 Titan is in a shop because of this annoying vibration everytime the A/C is on. The dealer had already changed out the compressor and a bunch of other things but the vibration is still there. they're now blamming on the none factory exhaust that I currently have and refuse to work on my truck unless I put the OEM exhaust back. So if anyone still have a complete exhaust from the Cat to all the way back? I'm willing to buy it from you.

[Sammy Sandbag]

Originally Posted by HieuP1210

My 04 Titan is in a shop because of this annoying vibration everytime the A/C is on. The dealer had already changed out the compressor and a bunch of other things but the vibration is still there. they're now blamming on the none factory exhaust that I currently have and refuse to work on my truck unless I put the OEM exhaust back. So if anyone still have a complete exhaust from the Cat to all the way back? I'm willing to buy it from you.

Where are you located?

[Bhudda454]

Not real sure about that line from the dealership. Which aftermarket system you got on there? They have to prove that the aftermarket part is the cause, can't just deny claim. There are guys here who know a bunch more than me. There is some law stating this exactly. I would also find another dealer.

[HieuP1210]

I'm in Houston Tx.

[Bhudda454]

Dude, go to Streater-Smith in Conroe. Ask for Mike. He is the SM there and is the absolute Shiznit. He is hooking me up on some stuff that isn't really even warranty, and doing it since I am almost out of mileage.

936-760-2446 Mike in Nissan Service

[37L1]

Originally Posted by Bhudda454

Dude, go to Streater-Smith in Conroe. Ask for Mike. He is the SM there and is the absolute Shiznit. He is hooking me up on some stuff that isn't really even warranty, and doing it since I am almost out of mileage.

936-760-2446 Mike in Nissan Service

Now that's what I'm talking about!

Good on ya, Bhudda454!

[HieuP1210]

Originally Posted by Bhudda454

Not real sure about that line from the dealership. Which aftermarket system you got on there? They have to prove that the aftermarket part is the cause, can't just deny claim. There are guys here who know a bunch more than me. There is some law stating this exactly. I would also find another dealer.

I originally have a flowmaster 70 series dual in-out and the Y removed. After about 3 months and decided to go back to factory because of the cabin drome. So the shop just cut off the muffler and welded the OEM back on and left the Y section there. I told the dealer that my muffler is OEM but they said the pipe from the Cat to the muffler is not. Anyway, they demand me to put everything back to factory before they'll touch the truck again.

[Bhudda454]

I would suggest you print this out and give it to him




and then call Mike. That is the craziest most insane patch of bull butter I have ever heard. I am not sure which side of town you are on, but there are like 12 Nissan places around town. Go with Mike or a new one. But don't give the other guy another shot. Post his name so we can keep anyone else from going there too.

Rant Over.

YAT-YAS

[HieuP1210]

Originally Posted by Bhudda454

I would suggest you print this out and give it to him




and then call Mike. That is the craziest most insane patch of bull butter I have ever heard. I am not sure which side of town you are on, but there are like 12 Nissan places around town. Go with Mike or a new one. But don't give the other guy another shot. Post his name so we can keep anyone else from going there too.

Rant Over.

YAT-YAS

Baker Nissan on 290 west is the place I go to. Actually they're pretty cool guy. I just got a call from them and they said they spoke to the Nissan engineer guy and it's actually the engineer that told them to do that.

[Bhudda454]

One of the mod's can probably quote the article of law I mentioned. I think it starts with an "M:, and no not Murphy's Law. They(spelt nissan) have to PROVE that your modification is causing the problem. They can't get you to spend hundreds of bucks just because they want to be D!cks. And I highly doubt that anyone at the dealership level can get in tough with anyone in the engineering level of Nissan. They don't talk to anyone. Heck , look at how hard Nissan Corp. works to ignore customers. LOL

They wouldn't say this crap if you had bought the banks system from them, so they got no leg to stand on. Print the futwice: thingy, and show it to them as you leave to go to a real dealershipo that wants to work with you and get some of your referals.

[baseballfanz]

This is the one reason I keep my factory exhaust intact, just in case.
Try going to a difference place to see what they say.
Munguson Law(sp?) or something like that.

[Sammy Sandbag]

Originally Posted by Bhudda454

One of the mod's can probably quote the article of law I mentioned. I think it starts with an "M:, and no not Murphy's Law. They(spelt nissan) have to PROVE that your modification is causing the problem. They can't get you to spend hundreds of bucks just because they want to be D!cks. And I highly doubt that anyone at the dealership level can get in tough with anyone in the engineering level of Nissan. They don't talk to anyone. Heck , look at how hard Nissan Corp. works to ignore customers. LOL

They wouldn't say this crap if you had bought the banks system from them, so they got no leg to stand on. Print the futwice: thingy, and show it to them as you leave to go to a real dealershipo that wants to work with you and get some of your referals.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

K&N explains it well:

K&N Engineering, Inc., is informed that some automobile dealers and manufacturers are telling their customers that the factory warranty on their motor vehicles is “void,” if an original equipment (OE) replacement air filter, manufactured by K&N, has been installed on their vehicles. K&N finds such instances disturbing, and while it does not purport to give legal advice, K&N would like to refer you to the federal Consumer Product Warranties law, often referred to as the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which states, in part, in Title 15, United States Code, Section 2302, subdivision (c), as follows:

“No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the [Federal Trade] Commission if –

(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and

(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefor.”

Under this federal statute, a manufacturer, who issues a warranty on your motor vehicle, is prohibited from requiring you to use a particular brand of air filter, oil filter, or other service or maintenance item, unless such item is provided, free of charge, under your warranty or unless the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) waives this prohibition against the manufacturer. K&N is unaware of any exemption or waiver granted by the FTC to any motor vehicle manufacturer, which pertains to air filters or oil filters.

K&N interprets this law to also prohibit the motor vehicle manufacturer from restricting your use of a particular brand of air filter, oil filter, etc. K&N’s interpretation of this law is consistent with the interpretation given it by the FTC, the government agency responsible for the interpretation and enforcement of this federal law.

The rules and regulations adopted by the FTC, to govern the interpretation and enforcement of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, are set forth in the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 16 - Commercial Practices, Chapter I - Federal Trade Commission, Subchapter G - Rules, Regulations, Statements and Interpretations Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, Part 700 - Interpretations Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Contained within these rules and regulations is Section 700.10, which states, in relevant part (with specific language highlighted by K&N), as follows:
“(c) No warrantor may condition the continued validity of a warranty on the use of only authorized repair service and/or authorized replacement parts for non-warranty service and maintenance. For example, provisions such as, "This warranty is void if service is performed by anyone other than an authorized 'ABC' dealer and all replacement parts must be genuine 'ABC' parts," and the like, are prohibited where the service or parts are not covered by the warranty. These provisions violate the Act in two ways. First, they violate the section 102(c) ban against tying arrangements. Second, such provisions are deceptive under section 110 of the Act, because a warrantor cannot, as a matter of law, avoid liability under a written warranty where a defect is unrelated to the use by a consumer of "unauthorized" articles or service. This does not preclude a warrantor from expressly excluding liability for defects or damage caused by such "unauthorized" articles or service; nor does it preclude the warrantor from denying liability where the warrantor can demonstrate that the defect or damage was so caused.”

We think this FTC rule is pretty clear and unambiguous. Please note that the FTC requires the “warrantor” (this would, generally, be your motor vehicle manufacturer) to “demonstrate” that the defect in or damage to your vehicle was caused by your installation or use of a K&N air or oil filter, or other “unauthorized” part, before a warranty claim can be denied. We contend that this requires credible proof as to the cause of a failure and not merely your dealer’s guess, speculation or unfounded opinion as to the cause.

Therefore, K&N considers any threat to void your factory warranty, or the actual voiding of your factory warranty, solely for the installation of a K&N replacement air filter or oil filter, to be a violation of federal law.

The foregoing addresses only your rights and protection under federal law. Of course, you may have greater rights under the consumer warranty laws applicable in your state.

If you have encountered a motor vehicle dealer, who has failed and refused to “demonstrate” or prove, as federal law requires, that your K&N air filter necessitated a repair for which warranty coverage has been denied, or a manufacturer, who refuses to perform warranty repairs on your vehicle, merely because you have installed a K&N replacement air filter or based on inaccurate information from your dealer, then we ask that you request that the dealer or manufacturer set forth, in writing, the warranty denial, together with a written statement as to the specific reasons for the denial of warranty repairs, and that you send a copy of this written statement to K&N. We also ask that you direct your dealer and manufacturer to the federal law quoted above. While K&N cannot act as your legal advocate or assume responsibility for enforcing your warranty rights under state and federal law, we will write to the dealership and to your motor vehicle manufacturer and insist that they provide a legal basis for their position. We have been successful in numerous instances in challenging the conclusions of dealerships and convincing manufacturers that the denial of warranty repairs was improper, which has resulted in letters of apology from dealers and reimbursements by dealers or manufacturers to consumers for those repairs.

In addition to any informal action K&N may take, you should consult an attorney and various state and federal agencies, who may be able to assist you in protecting and enforcing your warranty rights, if you encounter a motor vehicle dealer’s or manufacturer’s refusal to honor your motor vehicle warranty.

Please keep in mind that a motor vehicle dealer is, generally, not the “warrantor” of your vehicle. Your dealer may be assisting you as much as possible in getting the manufacturer to cover repairs of your vehicle under warranty, but the factory may still refuse to cover the repairs. If this happens, then there may be nothing further that the dealership can do, and it should not be blamed for the actions of your vehicle’s warrantor. A dealership’s control over the approval of a warranty repair is usually limited to properly diagnosing and reporting the cause of the repair. K&N only takes issue with those dealerships who advise consumers that the mere installation of a K&N air filter on a vehicle “voids” the factory warranty, or they convey to the manufacturer an unsubstantiated opinion or conclusion that a K&N air filter caused an engine or component failure, without any objective proof to support such a statement, which results in the denial of a legitimate warranty repair.