Latest gas mileage report - Page 2

keane · 04-22-2005, 01:20 PM

Your gas mileage could be better because you have a king Cab (lighter) and 2wd (lighter and less friction/moving parts). I haven't been able to repeat my almost 21 mpg as I drive faster and I always have 4 or 5 people in the truck with luggage. My over-all average since I got the truck is: 14.45 MPG Canadian,

Thats 12.03 US MPG.

wildwood · 04-26-2005, 02:09 PM

R-Vision Tr. Cruiser Tt 30QBSS is the trailer that I am pulling...

Huge Caution on Travel Trailers. Recall that the Touareg only advertised for a little while that it could tow an airstream. Pulling capacity is one thing put hitch weight is another.

If you look at the payload capacity for the Titan models you need to be sure that you don't exceed your payload with your travel trailer.

I have a fully dressed CC and with DVD which adds into the payload, wife, little ones there is not much room left for the weight of a trailer.

Typically you count on about 10% of the TT weight for the hitch weight it adds up very very fast. There are plenty of lawsuits in the US and a few in Canada with truck / trailer owners being over capacity and in a position of negligence.

We really liked units like Travel Air, etc. but when they hit the 8 0r 9000 lb mark and you take 10% for hitch weight you've got 800 or 900 lbs of travel trailer added to your payload. Check the sticker on the door and you may find that you are travelling by yourself or loosing weight.

An equalizer hitch just distributes weight through the axles through a little bit of leverage one frames, it takes the weight directly off the pin and doesn't make it go away.

I believe that there was another post on the Canadian Forum signing the blues with respect to trailer and Titan payload...do not be fooled by the dealer that tells you with 9300 lb pulling capacity you can pull anything.

There are lots of "light" trailers out there with benefits on each type. We also looked at several where the fit and finish was not great.

Good luck.

(Blew my brains out in the last 12 months - Titan, Travel Trailer and a little sea ray parked at a BC lakeside campground...come on summer.)

tccart · 04-26-2005, 07:46 PM

I'm having second thoughts about the 05 LE CC I have on order. The relatively low payload might be a problem.

Seems like most decent sized travel trailers ( say 21' to 25' ) have a dry hitch weight of 400 - 600 lbs. The LE CC has a payload of 1162 lbs, leaving about 600 lbs for people, gear, gas, etc.

Does the published payload of 1162 lbs include a full tank of gas?

Any idea on how much the dry hitch weight increases after the TT is loaded with water, propane, food, and a 40 pounder of Crown?

I've heard horror stories of the B.C. Highway cops catching people over their GVWR and making them unhook the TT right then and there ( or leave the whole rig). Then a guy has to find a truck with a larger payload to haul the TT home ( or at least to the Alberta border). Same deal with having 2 snowmobiles in the back of your 1/2 ton.

Has anybody's truck/TT weight been checked while travelling through B.C.?

Canada0937 · 04-27-2005, 09:27 AM

It was an issue for me as well. I just ordered a TT with a 362# hitch weight. Assuming my family is about 400#, a full tank of gas is 200# that leaves me with about 143# for cargo. I figure that once the TT is loaded it would at no more than 50# on the hitch. I just have to load the trailer properly and make sure that most of my cargo for longer trips is on the trailer. It's going to be a problem when my kids grow up. Right now they only weigh about 80 together. I'll deal with it when it happens. I love the Titan and I do use it as a daily driver. I couldn't see myself driving a 3/4 tonne Chevy every day, but that's where I"ll likely end up in a few years unless Nissan comes out with one. The trailer I bought is a Wildwood Ultra Light 2601. It is 27'2" long with a GVWR of about 6000# so I can load it up instead of the truck. I bought it at Trailblazer RV in Leduc/Nisku

tccart · 04-27-2005, 10:47 AM

362# dry hitch weight is pretty light for a trailer that size. I'll have to check out those ultra-lights when I get around to replacing my 1974 21 footer.

I did some internet searching last night, and came across some good GVWR info on the BC gov't website. Payload rating is on top of a full tank of gas. Also said that the GVWR rating of a vehicle could be increased by a Transport Canada approved facility, but would probably be cost prohibitive.

Here's the address: http://www.pc.gov.bc.ca/cmg/newweb/GVW.htm

I'm in Alberta, where 5 years ago when I checked, it wasn't illegal to run over the GVWR. The guy at the weigh station on Hwy 16 by Ardrossan said they could only nail you with overloading your tires. Still, I would hate to have a 2 week holiday in B.C. ruined by getting caught over the GVWR. I suppose they are only looking for the obvious offenders with the butt end of a 1/2 ton truck dragging low while pulling a 36 foot 5th wheel.

I wonder what part of the Titan is the limiting factor when the engineers calculate its GVWR.

rizzo · 04-28-2005, 08:00 PM

I just assumed the payload capacity of the Titan would be the same as the other half tons. 1100 lbs!!! Come on!!! As much as I like my Titan, I probably wouldn't have purchased it if I had known. With the exception of a couple half tons, I've always driven 3/4 tons and I should have bought another one.

Anyway, my (soon to be) wife and I are heading to Alaska in July for a few weeks. We'll be towing our 24' Terry TT with a dry weight of #5500 and a couple motocross' in the bed with a combined weight of about #550. With my fat *** and my wife's skinny ***, we should definitely be pushing the limits.

B.C. DOT is brutal!!! Be very careful when pulling a trailer when visiting that province. I've heard horror stories.

A good brake controller and a weight distributing system is manadtory when pulling.

Canada0937 · 04-28-2005, 11:05 PM

I've never heard of payload on top of the tank of gas. Everyone has told me that the gas has to be included in the payload capacity. If that's the case, then I've got a couple more hundred pounds to play with.

**Edit**

I just found this on the BC site.

Quote:

The easiest way to figure out how much weight your vehicle is designed to carry is to subtract the net weight of the vehicle (found in your owner's manual) from the GVWR (found on the driver's door post). The remaining number is the maximum weight your vehicle can safely carry. (it includes passengers, fuel and cargo.) Aftermarket access or equipment will increase the net weight of the vehicle. The weight of these accessories or equipment must be added to the net weight listed in your owner's manual. If you want to check the net weight of your vehicle, you can take your unloaded vehicle to ICBC Weigh Scale to be weighed.

tccart · 04-29-2005, 11:31 AM

The published "payload" for a vehicle is the GVWR minus the weight of the unloaded vehicle (base curb weight) which includes a full tank of gas.

From the same website:
Payload
Is the combined, maximum allowable weight of cargo, and passengers that the truck is designed to carry. To calculate the payload of a vehicle, take the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating and subtract the Curb Weight.
Base Curb Weight
Is the weight of the vehicle including a full tank of fuel and all standard equipment. It does not include passengers, cargo or any optional equipment

Ultimately, the best way to figure out your actual remaining payload capacity is to get the truck weighed, and subtract that number from the GVWR on the driver's door sticker. I did it with me in my Chev 1/2 ton Z71, and was left with about 950#. I weigh about 2 hundy, so the payload for my new CC LE will be about the same as my Chev.

I think Rizzo has the King Cab, which has a higher payload than the Crew. Could be as high as 1600#, depending on which options are installed.

rizzo · 04-30-2005, 11:42 AM

I have a 4wd King Cab but my combined weight of passengers and cargo sticker on the door says #1104.

tccart · 04-30-2005, 03:22 PM

The '04 brochure I have shows a payload of 1429# for SE KC 4x4, 1348# for the same SE KC 4x4 with Versatility package ( utili-track, bedliner, ,etc,etc) or 1233# for the KC LE 4x4.

I hope my truck doesn't show up with a lower payload rating on the door sticker than what's published in the brochure or the website.

Canada0937 · 04-30-2005, 05:00 PM

Don't forget the brochure numbers are without options. The sticker on your truck should have the numbers with options. Hate to tell you this, but mine says 1104 lbs as well.

tccart · 04-30-2005, 06:01 PM

I figured that the payload published for the different trim levels XE,SE,LE includes all the base equipment for that trim level. The LE CC payload is 106# less than the SE CC because of the standard running boards, etc. on the LE. If I ordered the optional DVD and NAV systems, I would expect a bit less payload than the 1162# published for the LE.

It's kinda strange that your CC has the exact payload as Rizzo's KC.

Oh well, there's nothing I can do about the payload rating and no sense getting my gonch in a knot. I'll just be careful with the hitch weight of the next TT I buy. Why complain that the 1/2 ton truck I bought is only capable of a 1/2 ton payload?

Canada0937 · 04-30-2005, 09:26 PM

You're right. It's just the shock of it all. This is what I came up with. 362# hitch weight 27' long

tccart · 04-30-2005, 09:58 PM

If that unit has a queen bed in front, and bunks for the kids in the back, I just might go have a peek at one.

Canada0937 · 05-01-2005, 09:22 AM

Just as you described it. Here's the floorplan and more pics.
My wife liked the white interior, but you can get the dark interior as well. I got it at TrailBlazerrv from Roxanne. She was great! If you see her, let her know Joel from Fort Mac recommended her, I get a $75.00 coupon for referrals!

. It's the second unit we've purchased from her.