Nissan/Dodge 2010 Dodge/Titan

[desertruner09]

Now that I've had a chance to let all of this Dodge Titan stuff sink in, I think that Nissan would have to be crazy not to continue with the 5.6L. They are upgrading the 5.6L anyways, and to do that just for the armada and infinity suv would be a pretty large waste of research costs and probably some retooling costs as well. It would have to be used on more vehicles, the next gen Titan. I would think Nissan would have too much pride in its own engines to allow a Hemi to be a top of the line option for one of their vehicles. Also, like HVT said, Dodge would not want to give up the "Hemi" name to someone else. Especially since they use it all the time for marketing BS. Now if Nissan was stopping production on the 5.6L all together then their would be a chance that it may be in the Titan...

[KillerBBBs]

Originally Posted by desertruner09

Now that I've had a chance to let all of this Dodge Titan stuff sink in, I think that Nissan would have to be crazy not to continue with the 5.6L. They are upgrading the 5.6L anyways, and to do that just for the armada and infinity suv would be a pretty large waste of research costs and probably some retooling costs as well. It would have to be used on more vehicles, the next gen Titan. I would think Nissan would have too much pride in its own engines to allow a Hemi to be a top of the line option for one of their vehicles. Also, like HVT said, Dodge would not want to give up the "Hemi" name to someone else. Especially since they use it all the time for marketing BS. Now if Nissan was stopping production on the 5.6L all together then their would be a chance that it may be in the Titan...

That maybe be true about the 5.6, but who would have thought the Nissan would have Dodge build their Titans...anything is possible!! And everything I have read has said they will use Dodge engines, but none saying for sure that the Hemi was one of those engines. I guess we just have to wait and see and pray Nissan does do something that stupid.

[HudsonValleyTitan]

Originally Posted by KillerBBBs

Well you maybe sure, but the press that is coming out is saying no Nissan engine. I hope they are wrong but so far it doesn't look good for the 5.6. If it is true I won't be buying any new Titans.

I've read nothing that claimed any such thing.


""The current Nissan Titan is only available with a 5.6-liter V8 but the next Titan will offer a wide range of Chrysler-sourced engine choices, including a 3.7-L V6, a 4.7-L V8 and *likely* the 5.7-L 'HEMI' V8, instead of Nissan's next-generation 5.6-L 'Endurance' V8. The HEMI's simpler overhead valve (aka pushrod) construction and lower cost materials are expected to save several hundred dollars versus the dual overhead cam 5.6-L V8. Cutting costs is critical in the increasingly price sensitive full size truck market. Using the HEMI would also set the Titan up to share the Ram's two-mode hybrid powertrain – fuel economy being another highly important purchase consideration.""


Not a very reliable source. Never happen. Nissans not going to give up their Endurance.

[KillerBBBs]

Originally Posted by HudsonValleyTitan

I've read nothing that claimed any such thing.


""The current Nissan Titan is only available with a 5.6-liter V8 but the next Titan will offer a wide range of Chrysler-sourced engine choices, including a 3.7-L V6, a 4.7-L V8 and *likely* the 5.7-L 'HEMI' V8, instead of Nissan's next-generation 5.6-L 'Endurance' V8. The HEMI's simpler overhead valve (aka pushrod) construction and lower cost materials are expected to save several hundred dollars versus the dual overhead cam 5.6-L V8. Cutting costs is critical in the increasingly price sensitive full size truck market. Using the HEMI would also set the Titan up to share the Ram's two-mode hybrid powertrain – fuel economy being another highly important purchase consideration.""


Not a very reliable source. Never happen. Nissans not going to give up their Endurance.

Whatever, just telling you what I read, go to google and read them yourself.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....=2008804150328

Although Chrysler will build the new Nissan truck, its design will be "unique to Nissan," Thormann said. But it will use engines from Chrysler, and not the 5.6-liter V-8, built at the Decherd plant, that now powers the Titan, he said. That engine is used in several other Nissan vehicles, as well.

Dominique Thormann, senior vice president for administration and finance at Nissan North America,

[dannyg]

just rember one thing cummings dodge has some of the best 3/4 1 ton truck but there half tons need work.

[sumair]

i have an 06 and this is going to be the only titan i buy. Ive been a nissan fan for years...at this point....i would rather just drop the brand and move on. Chevy/gmc...here i come

[eightballsidepocket]

Isn't the new Hemi's H.P. and Torque figures going to surpass the Tundra's 381 H.P. and 400 ft/lbs. of torque. If that is the engine destined for the Titan, what's wrong with that? Even the Chrysler 4.7 V8 has been upgraded around 300 H.P. and higher torque numbers.

Now, as for a V6 engine, I think they should put the Nissan 4.0 in the Titan, and not the Chrysler V6.

[niceun]

Originally Posted by eightballsidepocket

Isn't the new Hemi's H.P. and Torque figures going to surpass the Tundra's 381 H.P. and 400 ft/lbs. of torque. If that is the engine destined for the Titan, what's wrong with that? Even the Chrysler 4.7 V8 has been upgraded around 300 H.P. and higher torque numbers.

Now, as for a V6 engine, I think they should put the Nissan 4.0 in the Titan, and not the Chrysler V6.

Five little letters my friend..D O D G E

[desertruner09]

Originally Posted by eightballsidepocket

Isn't the new Hemi's H.P. and Torque figures going to surpass the Tundra's 381 H.P. and 400 ft/lbs. of torque. If that is the engine destined for the Titan, what's wrong with that? Even the Chrysler 4.7 V8 has been upgraded around 300 H.P. and higher torque numbers.

Now, as for a V6 engine, I think they should put the Nissan 4.0 in the Titan, and not the Chrysler V6.

It isn't so much about the numbers, but more about the engine design. Nissan is known for their top of the line engine designs, durability, and responsiveness. The VQ series (powers the Altima, Maxima...) has been on Ward's 10 best engines in the world list for 15 years straight I believe. Also, my dad's 86.5 Nissan truck that was maintained very poorly with the V6 (a 3.0L I think) has about 450,000 miles on it and still runs. If there is one thing Nissan can do right, it is engine design. I totally agree with putting the Nissan 4.0L in the Titan if they do use a V6.

[MuskyHunter]

I just can't see Nissan putting in a Hemi, it just doesn't make sense. Would Chrysler allow Hemi branding to another company? I think there is a lot of deception going on here. If the VK56 is being beefed up for the likes of the Armada, the big question is why? Is this all a smoke screen to surpirse the auto world with a Dodge/Nissan (Dissan) body and make a last minute announcement of a 400+ HP VK56. I am taking a long shot bet that this is the case.

Here is an interesting quote from Auto Spies:

Speaking to AutoObserver, William J. Krueger, Nissan’s senior vice-president in North America, said that the next-generation Titan will employ the architecture of the new 2009 Dodge Ram, however ‘the upper body will be unique to Nissan.’ Assembly of the new Titan will begin in 2011 at Chrysler’s Saltillo, Mexico plant.

Krueger said that the Dodge Ram’s underpinnings will enable the possibility for a wide range of models for the Titan, which is currently limited to just two body styles and single V8. So will it get a HEMI?

“That’s still being worked out,” Krueger said. “Initially, maybe it doesn’t make sense,” he said, stating that Chrysler may hesitate share HEMI image with Nissan

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/05/19...to-get-a-hemi/

[KillerBBBs]

Originally Posted by MuskyHunter

I just can't see Nissan putting in a Hemi, it just doesn't make sense. Would Chrysler allow Hemi branding to another company? I think there is a lot of deception going on here. If the VK56 is being beefed up for the likes of the Armada, the big question is why? Is this all a smoke screen to surpirse the auto world with a Dodge/Nissan (Dissan) body and make a last minute announcement of a 400+ HP VK56. I am taking a long shot bet that this is the case.

Here is an interesting quote from Auto Spies:

Speaking to AutoObserver, William J. Krueger, Nissan’s senior vice-president in North America, said that the next-generation Titan will employ the architecture of the new 2009 Dodge Ram, however ‘the upper body will be unique to Nissan.’ Assembly of the new Titan will begin in 2011 at Chrysler’s Saltillo, Mexico plant.

Krueger said that the Dodge Ram’s underpinnings will enable the possibility for a wide range of models for the Titan, which is currently limited to just two body styles and single V8. So will it get a HEMI?

“That’s still being worked out,” Krueger said. “Initially, maybe it doesn’t make sense,” he said, stating that Chrysler may hesitate share HEMI image with Nissan

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/05/19...to-get-a-hemi/

So not only will it not have the 5.6, it may not even have Dodges 5.7. This is looking better and better.

[ygbsm]

I couldn't care less. I bought a Titan because it's the truck I liked most for today. When it's time for my next vehicle, it may be a Nissan product but then again it may not. I have no loyalty to Nissan despite my purchase of two Infinities (or is it just Infiniti) and the Titan. I considered a F150, their actuall pretty nice vehicles. I could of even went with a GMC Sierra.

Come 2011 - hopefully my 2006 will still be going strong, but if it's time to start looking, I'll get what I like best even if it's a Tundra.

Let Nissan do with the Titan what they will and I as the consumer will decide if it's worth my cash.

I will add this: Of all the trucks available, I currently like Dodge the least and it's not just the old school styling inside and out or even the engine. Besides those, I hate their Chrysler electrical problems and poor A/C - I live in Florida and depend on a strong air conditioner (ps The Titan A/C cools that big cab well enough for my lips to turn blue)

[Jfree]

After reading several threads about this topic this is my "Personal Opinion":


I seriously doubt that Dodge will share the Hemi platform with anyone because as stated thats their cash cow right now and thats all they advertise. If by some small miracle they did do this I think they Dodge would lose money from their hardcore "I only drive American Trucks" customers just because of the name Nissan.

On the other hand, Im pretty sure Nissan would lose a lot of business from its loyal customers just because of this and seeing all the post on all the Nissan forums. As mentioned the Hemi motor is Over hyped and Underpowered, if you visit some of those forums those guys are pissed because they got whooped by a stock Titan or they went ape when they got their dyno results and saw the real world numbers from the Hemi.

Me personally, I love Nissan vehicles and their engines and the only reason I see them moving away from Cams to a Push Rod system is to attempt to save a buck, which IMHO would be a sad move. I shopped around before getting the Titan and after test driving a Silverado, F-150 and a Ram, I found them to be overpriced for what you got. If Nissan gets ride of the VK in the Titan and only makes them for Armadas that would be a bit of a waste IMHO.

But anyhow, off my soap box I go. I have an 06 KC and have no plans on getting rid of it ever, so if this Dodge Nissan deal goes through at least I bought mine when it was a true Nissan and with proper maintenance hopefully it will last for years to come. (Next thier will be a Hemi in the Skyline............ )

[MuskyHunter]

For those of us who do care, it is important to discuss this. At the time of purchase, the Nissan was a hands down winner. I bought it because of the engine and the transmission shift points. I also bought it for how it handled for general driving. Take that all away and you have got nothing but cosmetic sheet metal.

Frankly, I would buy a Titan again in its current form. I would not with Mopar driveline components, period. Ford is out, Chevy is out, so that leaves my second option for the Tundra, which is currently out of consideration due to its crappy frame design, which I was critical of prior to launch of the truck.

What will be interesting is how Nissan has handled the Titan design issues, which will be the historical reference for when prospective buyers of their new US built commercial delivery truck launch. Unproven and unknown, people will be able to look back at the Titan history, the forums, and see how seemingly disinterested or obligatory these fixes have been from Nissan, rather than Nissan rising to the top to immediately conquer these problems. Funny thing is that they almost perfected the Titan with the 08 models, with some open issues with axle seals and differential integrity questions.

Nissan has stayed the course with the differential design on the Titan platform and then complain that the truck is not as profitable. It is amazing how much more money you can make when you deliver a product that has such an amazing reliability record, where in fact a premium can be charged.

As for the engine and transmission, this is Nissan's Hemi for the Titan. Loose it, and you loose your current customer base, and loose your identity as a product and as a player in the truck market.

[desertruner09]

Originally Posted by MuskyHunter

For those of us who do care, it is important to discuss this. At the time of purchase, the Nissan was a hands down winner. I bought it because of the engine and the transmission shift points. I also bought it for how it handled for general driving. Take that all away and you have got nothing but cosmetic sheet metal.

Frankly, I would buy a Titan again in its current form. I would not with Mopar driveline components, period. Ford is out, Chevy is out, so that leaves my second option for the Tundra, which is currently out of consideration due to its crappy frame design, which I was critical of prior to launch of the truck.

What will be interesting is how Nissan has handled the Titan design issues, which will be the historical reference for when prospective buyers of their new US built commercial delivery truck launch. Unproven and unknown, people will be able to look back at the Titan history, the forums, and see how seemingly disinterested or obligatory these fixes have been from Nissan, rather than Nissan rising to the top to immediately conquer these problems. Funny thing is that they almost perfected the Titan with the 08 models, with some open issues with axle seals and differential integrity questions.

Nissan has stayed the course with the differential design on the Titan platform and then complain that the truck is not as profitable. It is amazing how much more money you can make when you deliver a product that has such an amazing reliability record, where in fact a premium can be charged.

As for the engine and transmission, this is Nissan's Hemi for the Titan. Loose it, and you loose your current customer base, and loose your identity as a product and as a player in the truck market.

I couldn't have said it better myself! If Nissan loses the Nissan drivetrain, it loses a big factor of what makes a Nissan a Nissan.