I think this will come down as who fired the first shot, not who was on private property.
Didn't mean to infer that being on private property would be the deciding factor on whether he is guilty of murder or not. He was certainly guilty of trespassing which wouldn't warrant being shot at.
I still think he is guilty of murder though, from what i'm reading only one of the hunters was armed and he was gunned down first. The rest were killed in cold blood. Also the only witness account states that the trespasser fired the first shot.
Also i'm thinking he had a quick temper, and just went off when he was told to leave.
Like I said earlier some people think they have a God given right to hunt whenever and wherever, and I have seen first hand some of their attitudes when confronted.
I know one thing for sure, the next time I see someone trespassing on my property I won't take my eyes off of them till we have some distance between us.
and also that dude chasing them down and shooting in the back...that turned him from a law abiding citizen using justfiable self-defense into now a villian, a felon that commited 2nd degree murder. he'll have to pay the price.
I know this is a controversial statement but shooting someone in the back, as bad as it sounds, is sometimes justified. For instance, if I had a gun and saw someone shooting innocent people at random with an assault rifle, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot that person in the back to prevent further loss of life. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case but just using an example.
It will be interesting to see how the Wisconsin incident turns out once all the facts are in. So far, it doesn't look good for the guy that is arrested.
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I know this is a controversial statement but shooting someone in the back, as bad as it sounds, is sometimes justified. For instance, if I had a gun and saw someone shooting innocent people at random with an assault rifle, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot that person in the back to prevent further loss of life. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case but just using an example.
It will be interesting to see how the Wisconsin incident turns out once all the facts are in. So far, it doesn't look good for the guy that is arrested.
Bayou Titan is absolutely correct.
Matter of fact, it would be the smart and couragous way to stop a felony in progress.
The trouble with that WI hunter is that why did he chase them down then shoot 'em in the back?
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Read it and decide for yourself. Which story sound more realistic. The news and media are just there to make the story sound interesting. The SKS is not an assault rifle, The guy has a hunting license, was wearing an blaze orange vest, and so on.
It sounds pretty simple to me. The guy was trespassing and the land owners were pissed off about it. The land owners approached vang and probably was really giving him a hard time. "Maybe" one of the gun owners pointed a weapon at him and he killed the guy. The other 5 "murders" are cut and dry to me. Hell he chased two of them down. He pursued the people left alive. Here is one question, if he was innocent in killing the first guy why not run and get help and let the law sort it out. The fact that he tried to kill everyone involved tells me that he may have just snapped after being caught hunting on someone’s land and receiving a tongue lashing.
It sounds pretty simple to me. The guy was trespassing and the land owners were pissed off about it. The land owners approached vang and probably was really giving him a hard time. "Maybe" one of the gun owners pointed a weapon at him and he killed the guy. The other 5 "murders" are cut and dry to me. Hell he chased two of them down. He pursued the people left alive. Here is one question, if he was innocent in killing the first guy why not run and get help and let the law sort it out. The fact that he tried to kill everyone involved tells me that he may have just snapped after being caught hunting on someone’s land and receiving a tongue lashing.
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yup, good question: "...if he was innocent in killing the first guy why not run and get help and let the law sort it out..."
the rest seems to be manslaughters, 2nd degree murders.
It sounds pretty simple to me. The guy was trespassing and the land owners were pissed off about it. The land owners approached vang and probably was really giving him a hard time. "Maybe" one of the gun owners pointed a weapon at him and he killed the guy. The other 5 "murders" are cut and dry to me. Hell he chased two of them down. He pursued the people left alive. Here is one question, if he was innocent in killing the first guy why not run and get help and let the law sort it out. The fact that he tried to kill everyone involved tells me that he may have just snapped after being caught hunting on someone’s land and receiving a tongue lashing.
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I think what you are saying is probably what the defense attorney is going to use as his case. If the land/lease owner fired his weapon very near Vang first to "intimidate" him for being on private property, it is easy to see why Vang would respond with deadly intent. If the guy that Vang shot initially survived long enough to radio his fellow hunting buddies for help, they would be showing up with guns pointed in Vang's direction, ready to fire. This would make Vang have a "kill or be killed" attitude.
I'm not at all saying this is what happened. I am just guessing what might be used as a defense argument.
I think what you are saying is probably what the defense attorney is going to use as his case. If the land/lease owner fired his weapon very near Vang first to "intimidate" him for being on private property, it is easy to see why Vang would respond with deadly intent. If the guy that Vang shot initially survived long enough to radio his fellow hunting buddies for help, they would be showing up with guns pointed in Vang's direction, ready to fire. This would make Vang have a "kill or be killed" attitude.
I'm not at all saying this is what happened. I am just guessing what might be used as a defense argument.
well, like that saying goes...better to be "judged by six" [of a jury, nowdays it may be 12 on a jury] then to be "carried by six."
I can see how a man might react that way, fearing for his life. neverthe less, Vang may very likely be guilty.
However, "jury of peers" of Wisconson folks likely will not look kindly upon that working class non-white immigrant, Vang. He aint't even a popular and wealthy NFL football player such as O.J.
Ok. Where's all the trophies? Only one deer posted?
This one isn't mine. It's a guy my buddy works with up in the UP. Just to give you an idea, the guy is about 6'3" and the 8pt dressed out at 270! Wish it was mine!
(sorry, I can't get it to post. Are we able to post a pic without it being on-line?)
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Titan is officially broken in hauled 2 deer and a boar hug out of the woods.
Had last week off for gun hunting here in North Florida after having Archery season rained out and missed a 8 point and bagged a 6 point.
Of course you have to be a better shot in Florida with the deer being so small.
Don’t have pics yet will post latter and let ya’ll northerner boys make fun of it.
Truck did real well crawling though the mud and over hidden lime rocks with the stock BFG. During the bow season with all the rain went though a couple of holes with water to the top of my bumper with no problems.
I had my first real problem with my Titan the last day of my hunt, when the front passenger power window would not roll up.
Had to pull the door panel and put peaces of lumber in to hold to window up.
One window regulator replaced and window back in business.
Titan is officially broken in hauled 2 deer and a boar hug out of the woods.
Congrats to ya JTD, sounds like you've been "gettin er done" looking forward to seeing some pics. BTW our average deer are on the small side too, but they're still a challenge to hunt.
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