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[bfiii12]

That's great Canuk!!! A Mountain Lion killed a family's 100 lb. lab here in Oklahoma about a month ago. Right in their bag yard. Suburban Edmond, OK.

[nytitan1]

listen guess i started this sorry but i have hunted for meat yes not just trophy , dont consider myself tree hugger at all resent that just that i dont see the sport in treeing an animal then standing there under tree and shooting the animal. go out and track him yourself if an animal becomes a menace then he should be taken care of no doubt.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by bfiii12

That's great Canuk!!! A Mountain Lion killed a family's 100 lb. lab here in Oklahoma about a month ago. Right in their bag yard. Suburban Edmond, OK.

Uh, I'm calling BS on that fairy tale. I live in Edmond. Didn't happen.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by nytitan1

listen guess i started this sorry but i have hunted for meat yes not just trophy , dont consider myself tree hugger at all resent that just that i dont see the sport in treeing an animal then standing there under tree and shooting the animal. go out and track him yourself if an animal becomes a menace then he should be taken care of no doubt.

Exactly what part of RESPONSIBLE GAME MANAGEMENT don't you understand?

[Armada]

Originally Posted by 4Roller

What is the point of hunting for sport. Killing a big cat that has caused no harm is pointless. I dont consider myself a tree hugger just trying to live my life as that Cougar was his until a couple of yokels and there inbred dogs decided to go out shooting critters for fun! And dont tell me it is for population control because by that token how would you feel if it was decided that you were being downsized because there was just too many people in your neighberhood? Last time I checked Cougars do not have gun permits so the fight was hardly fair or sporting. Go "wrassle" one with your bare hands and I wont say a word but to shoot a mammal that was trying to escape and was not stalking you or attacking is just plain chicken@#$%!
Insert your slack jawed flamed remarks here and I will read them with regards to remind me of the old saying...Big car,big gun,small...........mind

Don't you guys just love it when someone with no facts and a lot of emotion joins the discussion? It is the mentality of "don't confuse me with the facts - because I have my mind made up." That is so sad.

I would be happy to debate this issue objectively, based on the facts, with anyone who comes here, but lets stick to the objective facts.

It is we, as humans, who have altered the ecological balance. The big cats did not create this problem, we did. But we are not going to solve it by resort to emotional pleas. As the smarter and stronger predator species, we have to accept responsibility for our conduct in depleting the habitat of those animals, and by depriving them of their prey.

Scientific wildlife management is based on fact. The only reliable, sustainable method of resolving this dilemma is to control predator population by limiting it to habit load bearing capacity. That means keeping populations in control.

It does nothing to further this debate to accuse hunters of being yokels and their dogs of being inbred or to use other inflammatory statements.

Big cats are nocturnal. We don't see them frequently. That does not mean that they are not dying of starvation and disease and suffering miserably because of drastically reduced habitat and food supply. Nor does it mean that unchecked noctural activity of predator species is not harmful to other animals and to humans.

Having said that, responsible management includes carefully prescribed hunting seasons, licensing, permits, and limits on the amount of population reduction necessary to achieve balance.

[4Roller]

TnBowHunter I singled you out only because the article that you posted contained the very info about Cats RARELY attacking humans. You posted it as information to support your views but just like you and you backwoods mentality just wanted the headline effect you probabley didnt even read it or can you. Now to set you straight....I dont believe in hunting for sport....meat is another thing. Now how about some info on me to show that your assumption of me is just a little off base
CAUTION READ SLOWLY SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS!
1. Born and raised in Alaska where my Dad hunted moose for meat and not trophy, moose burgers for days! Now my mother and stepfather live in Montana where they hunt deer for meat.
2. Against hunting for SPORT not FOOD! Did you get that?
3. Not trying to stir up stuff but the pics are posted on a public forum where I post and participate in and every one has opinions are you trying to take mine away? We share opinions here all the time about suspensions and tires....whats the Diff?
4. In my mid thirties and have been working full time since I was in Highschool
Packings train and air containers for shipping companies worked at the Home Depot stocking water heaters and cast iron bath tubs drove forklift for a building company unloading all the trucks of lumbar and solid core doors(still have a nagging shoulder injury from that) all while putting myself through school to get into the medical field performing Diagnostic Imaging studies and making a very good living doing that. But now I get paid for what I know not how much I can lift.
5. You obviously think that wild animals have union halls because by your reasoning when you shoot a cougar the three buddies of his hiding in the bushes start to spread the word that the man now has a gun so we better stop fighting our natural instincts to hunt small animals that belong to people as food. Cougars are solitary animals who hunt territories alone or with cubs. Their range can be up to 100 square miles.Who watches too much Disney now !
6. Show your facts, I wanna see the study relating to #5......waiting
7. Check my post history. I didnt post anything about the deer hunters pics...Yeah hunting isnt for me, I have other hobbies that take too much time and money like my Titan. But you did get one thing right if I am hungry I go to a store or restaurant just no need to shoot Cougars for food around here much.
Well as you can see you were pretty wrong about me on a few things. I dont know what you do for a living but I hope it doesnt involve telling people what they are or are not because you suck at it!
Your Turn

[4Roller]

Well said Armada but I am using facts. I have studied Cougars since my school days and just have alot of respect for them. Dont get me wrong the yokel thing was not needed but the hippie treehugger was not either. Before I got here NYTitan was taking all the heat I just happened to share his opinion and decided to join the discussion. You brought up a great point that over hunting of prey to generate money for the state has ultimatley led to the neccesity to cull the predators but what if we just managed the prey better so ther is enough to go around? What it comes down to is moolah hunters and the NRA have it and the states need it. There is no simple answer shooting animals on game farms seem unsporting as well no thrill like shooting a buck at 3:00 pm when the deer feeder turns on. I have alot of respect for Bow hunters because of the time and energy to get a wild deer. And from what hunting friends have told me just because you get the tag doesnt mean you will get the Buck. By the way, isnt it true pure bred dogs are all inbred? I thought that I was stating a fact.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by 4Roller

5. You obviously think that wild animals have union halls because by your reasoning when you shoot a cougar the three buddies of his hiding in the bushes start to spread the word that the man now has a gun so we better stop fighting our natural instincts to hunt small animals that belong to people as food.

Exactly what part of RESPONSIBLE GAME MANAGEMENT don't you understand?

If a given range can only offer enough natural wildlife to support, say, ten mountain lions where there are seventeen, what do you think happens next? Oh yeah, they start hunting for other prey. Like some ignorant tree hugger and their poodle. Or maybe the livestock that's raised to provide you with beef for the supper table. Do you know or even care how responsible game management figures into this scenario? An objective number of animals is reached by legal means of hunting.

Armada has pretty well pegged you. You care nothing about continuing this discussion with anything factual. You only seek to interject your emotions. Not really needed.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by 4Roller

I am using facts.

Actually you're not. You carefully left out maintaining an objective number of animals for a given habitat.

[4Roller]

Pardon me Nitro but I have yet to see links posting actually fish and game studies here. I think we all are using our general knowledge and opinions and as you can see I responded to Armadas post.He is spot on and I agreed with it. The responsability does fall on us since we pass the laws. It really is all about environmental protection so we can all share the land for hunting and fishing. As I stated before the Cougars range is huge and the land is disappearing. All I was saying is that shooting a cat out of a tree is not sport to me. And I just hate to see any animal shot for sport incudeing Bears. As stated it is not always about population control it is as much about allowing a few animals to be hunted to mantain state funding to provide staff for enforcement and protection for the rest. I didnt leave anything carefully out I am just writing of the top of my head. This is a huge subject that wont be solved here, just thought we could all engage in a little conversation even if we have opposing views. So really who is getting emotional with the finger pointing and accusations.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by 4Roller

All I was saying is that shooting a cat out of a tree is not sport to me.

Then you don't understand their habitat and behavior, yet you claim to have "studied" them. Right.

Originally Posted by 4Roller

As stated it is not always about population control it is as much about allowing a few animals to be hunted to mantain state funding to provide staff for enforcement and protection for the rest.

Not true. You can contact the USFWS as well as your state's game management agency for the "studies" to which you allude. I won't educate someone who is uneducatable.

Originally Posted by 4Roller

I didnt leave anything carefully out

Actually, you did.

Originally Posted by 4Roller

So really who is getting emotional with the finger pointing and accusations.

You are. You've made your thoughts well-known as to what you consider to be "sporting." Fortunately your thoughts don't make it much further.

[4Roller]

Now you are calling me uneducated when I have personally laid out my history? This is turning into nothing more than name calling and I know you are but what am I. If we cannot express our opinions casually and for discussion then we would all drive the same car in the same color and universally agree on all things. All I was doing is bringing another view which like NYTitan is not welcomed here and shows nothing but closed mindedness from the people here. Where do you stand on TN name calling me sissy by where I live and calling all who disagree with you guys treehugger hippies.
I should have known better than to have a discussion with you.

[4Roller]

But then again my post are going up!

[4Roller]

BTW this a great site! I sure do love my Titan.....oh great now Nitro is gonna say "Then why dont you marry it!"

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by 4Roller

Now you are calling me uneducated when I have personally laid out my history?

No, I stated that you were UNEDUCATABLE. You stated that you have "studied" mountain lions since your "school days," but you seem to have neglected the study of game management.

Originally Posted by 4Roller

This is turning into nothing more than name calling and I know you are but what am I.

As far as I can tell, that's only on yours and NYTitan's end.

Originally Posted by 4Roller

All I was doing is bringing another view which like NYTitan is not welcomed here and shows nothing but closed mindedness from the people here.

And you were open-minded in what way?

Originally Posted by 4Roller

Where do you stand on TN name calling me sissy by where I live and calling all who disagree with you guys treehugger hippies.

You mean it's not true?