Heavy Duty Titan On The Way! - Page 10

Not_Important · 04-24-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Potroast

bull****. Ford released the 2008 Super Duty then put a recall and told all dealerships that they could not sell any stock of SD trucks due to the faulty ECUs.

I don't know how you can just say they fixed it. They haven't.

If you think that the addition of the most sophisticated pollution control devices ever put onto consumer vehicles has gone smoothly for everyone but Ford, you're sadly mistaken. The issue is the 6.4L has a couple of issues with the 9th injector sticking, it causes the DPF temperature to get far too hot. I've seen commercial duty semis burned to the ground for the very same problem.

The fault isn't with the 6.4L powerstroke engine. And yes, we can say it is a far superior engine to the 6.0L but Ford has a few issues to overcome.

The 2008MY Dodges and GMs will step up to a closed loop diesel oxidation catalyst and particulate filter. You will see some implementation issues on those vehicles as well. Ford happened to be the first, but won't be the last.

Potroast · 05-16-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Not_Important

The 2008MY Dodges and GMs will step up to a closed loop diesel oxidation catalyst and particulate filter. You will see some implementation issues on those vehicles as well. Ford happened to be the first, but won't be the last.

GM already implemented diesel particulate filters in their 2007 Duramax LMM engine. They don't seem to be having problems.

ptgarcia · 05-16-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Potroast

GM already implemented diesel particulate filters in their 2007 Duramax LMM engine. They don't seem to be having problems.

As did Dodge. They all did it at virtually the same time. The government mandated date of compliance was Jan. 1, 2007.

eightballsidepocket · 05-17-2007, 10:27 AM

It's going to be interesting to see how these exhaust regeneration cycles work out on the Big 3 trucks.

Ford recently had some flaming exhaust problems that were the automatic regeneration or soot incinerating cycles happening at engine idle.

As I understand, the Regen cycle does happen automatically, where the engine RPM goes up from idle, and raw diesel in sprayed into the exhaust to burn off soot in the soot filter. Dodge's and GM's system is similar, but I think there's regenerates during "driving mode".

The big concern that I've observed on diesel pick up forums is how this regeneration cycle will work during the Winter time, when a diesel engine takes a long time to warm up.

Also regeneration happens after a predetermined engine temp is reached. Wonder if your diesel is used for a lot of short trips where it never quite gets up to that temp?

There was one guy on the RV forum that had to bring in his brand new 3500 Dodge 6.7 to have the soot filter replaced, as it just plain plugged-up with 800 miles on the odometer.

New 6.4 Ford diesels were regenerating with some long hot flames exiting the tail pipe that could start a brush fire or take the hairs off your legs and make 2nd and 3rd degree burns.

MotoQT · 05-29-2007, 09:25 AM

Nissan Titan making moves to be bigger, bolder, badder

article: spyfhotos.autoblog.com/2007/05/29/nissan-titan-making-moves-to-be-bigger-bolder-badder/

ptgarcia · 05-29-2007, 09:52 AM

Oh boy, hopefully they don't have another Navistar fiasco like Ford is having.

Potroast · 05-29-2007, 03:04 PM

Nissan would be foolish to go with navistar, imho. Chances of a bad motor are high... Even if navistar develops a good motor, reputations die hard. I don't think I'd trust it.

Not_Important · 05-29-2007, 07:03 PM

You cannot compare Dodge's aftertreatment system to GM's or Ford's. They use totally different technology to do the same thing. GM did have problems, but lucky for them they learned a lot from Isuzu which has been using DPFs since EURO3 emissions regs were released. Isuzu has a good supplier for the 9th injector and the controller. Ford's aren't as good. It has nothing to do with International.

By the way, the spyblog is behind on their info by about 6 months. Nissan cancelled the V8 diesel project last year.

bloody13 · 05-31-2007, 01:47 AM

I think Jeep Guys are more attractive to girls... dunno why...

BKW · 06-05-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Potroast

Nissan would be foolish to go with navistar, imho. Chances of a bad motor are high... Even if navistar develops a good motor, reputations die hard. I don't think I'd trust it.

Navistar claims that the Ford computer systems are to blame for the 6.0 failures, and also for the flamethrower 6.4's. It's been reported by Automotive News, that yesterday, an agreement has been signed with Navistar for them to supply the V8 diesels to Nissan. Would Nissan have considered Navistar if they felt Navistar was to blame for the crappy 6.0's, and the flame throwing 6.4's? I think not.

eightballsidepocket · 06-05-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BKW

Navistar claims that the Ford computer systems are to blame for the 6.0 failures, and also for the flamethrower 6.4's. It's been reported by Automotive News, that yesterday, an agreement has been signed with Navistar for them to supply the V8 diesels to Nissan. Would Nissan have considered Navistar if they felt Navistar was to blame for the crappy 6.0's, and the flame throwing 6.4's? I think not.

Brand loyalty will make a person assume that everything their Marque or manufacturer does has to be right.

Even if we love our make and swear by it, others have had lemons or bad experiences with it. It goes for all makes.

Objective reasoning doesn't assume that everything Nissan, Dodge, Ford......or whoever does is right.

Bottom line, the almighty dollar and other non-publically available incentives from Navstar, most likely determines what diesel Nissan opted to go with.......Cummins/Powerstroke, or Duramax.

troutstitan · 06-05-2007, 06:43 PM

Just saw new Titan adds on tv. There using The NFL Network. Spot had to do with toughest frame in the industry. Now bigger bed and new catch phraes is "Titan Of Trucks".
I thought it was nice to finally see some Titan comercials again.

Potroast · 06-06-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BKW

Would Nissan have considered Navistar if they felt Navistar was to blame for the crappy 6.0's, and the flame throwing 6.4's? I think not.

Yes. I think it is completely feasable, after seeing Nissan do it for YEARS, for a company as large as Nissan to choose an INFERIOR product for sale.

It's about the numbers and the benjamins -- not about the right truck. That's life.

ss350z · 06-06-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BKW

Navistar claims that the Ford computer systems are to blame for the 6.0 failures, and also for the flamethrower 6.4's. It's been reported by Automotive News, that yesterday, an agreement has been signed with Navistar for them to supply the V8 diesels to Nissan. Would Nissan have considered Navistar if they felt Navistar was to blame for the crappy 6.0's, and the flame throwing 6.4's? I think not.

Do you have more info or a link to this?

Not_Important · 06-06-2007, 10:59 PM

http://www.autonews.com/

Bruised Titan rises for Round 2 in pickup war
To establish the Titan pickup as a more serious Detroit 3 fighter, Nissan is studying plans to buy V-8 diesel engines from International Truck and Engine Corp.
Published: 05/28/07

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