Heavy Duty Titan On The Way!

[IAPharmr]

No it will not be a rebadged Ram, it will be built on the same chassis and perhaps share engine choices (Hopefully we will still get the next generation 5.6 and not a POS Hemi). The sheet metal will be completely designed by Nissan.

[niceun]

Originally Posted by IAPharmr

No it will not be a rebadged Ram, it will be built on the same chassis and perhaps share engine choices (Hopefully we will still get the next generation 5.6 and not a POS Hemi). The sheet metal will be completely designed by Nissan.

1. The 1/2 ton Titan will basically be a Ram with different sheet metal. It will use Dodge engines and trannies.
2. The new HD Titan will supposedly be ALL Nissan with a Cummins Diesel. We'll see...

[eightballsidepocket]

Originally Posted by IAPharmr

No it will not be a rebadged Ram, it will be built on the same chassis and perhaps share engine choices (Hopefully we will still get the next generation 5.6 and not a POS Hemi). The sheet metal will be completely designed by Nissan.

That POS Hemi will have H.P. and Torque rivaling the Tundra 5.7 L V8, and will do it with pushrods and not a DOHC.

[wc3]

1. The 1/2 ton Titan will basically be a Ram with different sheet metal. It will use Dodge engines and trannies.

There's no figuring the stupidity of corporate thinking. I work in the nuclear power industry and apparently the same disease that afflicts leadership in that industry is contageous! If I had wanted a Dodge, I would have bought a Dodge. Letting Dodge construct the Titan is the height of corporate stupidity because anything made by Dodge is esentially a Dodge and it is automatically struck from my want list. The only thing Dodge did right in the last 25 years in their PU's, IMO, was to use the Cummins diesel. However, they have yet to build a PU body or gas power train worth a "tinkers #@$%" IMO.

2. The new HD Titan will supposedly be ALL Nissan with a Cummins Diesel. We'll see...

I hope so, but look at where the corporate leaders are taking the great PU they already have! Guess I'll either drive my 05 Titan until the wheels fall off or end up with the HD Titan diesel (gas engine if it's all Nissan!), if I can afford it. However, unless some gas exploration drilling company decides to drill for gas on my land, I doubt I will be able to afford the HD Titan!!!!! And now that diesel is almost $1.00/gal higher in my area of Texas over the cost of unleaded gas, there isn't enough fuel economy out of any diesel by any manufacturer on the market to offset the cost difference of the fuel.


The future is not looking good!

[billaj]

There are chips out for Diesel engines that allow you to acquire better gas mileage.

I can't wait for there to be a Titan diesel. I will buy one ASAP, put IFS on it (unless it will already come with it), throw a 22" lift on it, and put some 46" tires on it. I'm stoked beyond belief!

[Riverratt]

Well, I guess there is one confirmed diesel buyer in the 1/2 ton truck market. I seriously doubt there are enough to justify production. Save the diesels for 3/4 ton trucks.

[Brons2]

Originally Posted by eightballsidepocket

The 5.9 and 6.7 Cummins used in the Dodge are the only true Medium duty rated diesels found in light duty p.u. trucks. The Duramax and Powerstroke do not have that rating.

Nonsense. What do you think the International VT365 is? It's a medium duty 6.0 liter engine...same as the Ford 6.0 but without all the Ford electronics.
http://www.internationaldelivers.com...t365detail.asp

I have seen medium duty Chevy and GMC with the Duramax also.
http://www.chevrolet.com/mediumduty/kodiak/
Duramax is available. on C4500, C5500

[eightballsidepocket]

Originally Posted by Brons2

Nonsense. What do you think the International VT365 is? It's a medium duty 6.0 liter engine...same as the Ford 6.0 but without all the Ford electronics.
http://www.internationaldelivers.com...t365detail.asp

I have seen medium duty Chevy and GMC with the Duramax also.
http://www.chevrolet.com/mediumduty/kodiak/
Duramax is available. on C4500, C5500

You may say nonsense, but you can go to any diesel forum and tell everyone the Powerstroke is rated the same "duty" as the 5.9/6.7 Cummins and you'll get information that differs with your "take". The Cummins overhall cycle is much longer mileage-wise than either the Duramax or the Powerstroke too.

[Brons2]

Medium duty rated by whom? What organization are they a member of? What standards body determines the criteria?

Since I know you don't have answers to any of these things, we can safely define "medium duty rated" as marketing fluff. What some yay-hoos on a diesel forum thinks doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

[eightballsidepocket]

Originally Posted by Brons2

Medium duty rated by whom? What organization are they a member of? What standards body determines the criteria?

Since I know you don't have answers to any of these things, we can safely define "medium duty rated" as marketing fluff. What some yay-hoos on a diesel forum thinks doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

If you look at your EPA door sticker.........you will find that Dodge/Cummins powered P.U.'s have a "medium duty engine rating".

Please find that rating on the other two brands; GM/Duramax, Ford/Powerstroke?

Also keep in mind, that medium duty rating by the EPA is for the engine, not the truck. There are medium duty rated trucks and heavy and light as well.

The EPA rating is for overhall intervals...........Medium Duty diesels have a longer overhall duty cycle than light duty, but obviously shorter than heavy duty rated engines.

[metrol12]

Well there goes the neighborhood. A rebadged Titan. Here is a prime example of Ghosn and his gang not listening to his customers about what they want and put out what they think we want. They turned a deaf ear to us for so long that they are now years behind the eightball. Idiots all of them. I guess I will get a true Titan in '09 with the LWB. The only reason I got a Titan was because it wasn't a piece of crap from the big three or a wanna be from the other Japanese companies.

[FuzzyLogic]

Originally Posted by eightballsidepocket

If you look at your EPA door sticker.........you will find that Dodge/Cummins powered P.U.'s have a "medium duty engine rating".

Please find that rating on the other two brands; GM/Duramax, Ford/Powerstroke?

Also keep in mind, that medium duty rating by the EPA is for the engine, not the truck. There are medium duty rated trucks and heavy and light as well.

The EPA rating is for overhall intervals...........Medium Duty diesels have a longer overhall duty cycle than light duty, but obviously shorter than heavy duty rated engines.

Any diesel in a 1/2 ton is going to have to be smaller and lighter. Current diesel pickup engines are simply too heavy for 1/2 ton applications. That's why Ford has talked about a V6 for the F150.

but...with Diesel scaring the heck out of $5/gallon...what's the point?

Gas is the way to go for 1/2 ton unless they release a truck that gets more than about 27 mpg.

[madahajimoto]

Nissan will build a heavier-duty version of its Titan pickup in order to expand the lineup and compete head-to-head with HONDA SUV'S.

Nissan plans to redesign its big Titan pickup in mid-2009 and according to a report in Automotive News, a heavy-duty version will be part of the redesign. A diesel engine option will be part of the upgrade, but there's no word yet on who will supply the new engine. The truck will target THE TOYOTA TUNDRA ONLY. THIS WILL BE A PRIDE THINGY. NISSAN ALREADY MAKES A GANK OF EXCELLENT DIESEL TRUCKS SO WHY VENTURE OUT TO THE US MARKET FOR DIESEL MOTORS? OH, BECUASE THE CONSUMER BELIVES ITS IDEAL!!!

Toyota later this year will begin assembling its redesigned 2007 Tundra pickup, THIS WILL BE A ON-GOING BATTLE FOR THE CONSUMER ONLY WITH "WHO"S TRUCK IS BIGGER AND BETTER WHEN THE TWO MEET COMMING DOWN THE STREET". The executives have said the company is studying the feasibility of adding a heavy-duty model to compete with similar products from Chevrolet, Dodge, Ford and WELL GMC IS JUST ABOUT CHEVY ANYWAYS.

[ptgarcia]

Originally Posted by madahajimoto

Nissan will build a heavier-duty version of its Titan pickup in order to expand the lineup and compete head-to-head with HONDA SUV'S.

Nissan plans to redesign its big Titan pickup in mid-2009 and according to a report in Automotive News, a heavy-duty version will be part of the redesign. A diesel engine option will be part of the upgrade, but there's no word yet on who will supply the new engine. The truck will target THE TOYOTA TUNDRA ONLY. THIS WILL BE A PRIDE THINGY. NISSAN ALREADY MAKES A GANK OF EXCELLENT DIESEL TRUCKS SO WHY VENTURE OUT TO THE US MARKET FOR DIESEL MOTORS? OH, BECUASE THE CONSUMER BELIVES ITS IDEAL!!!

Toyota later this year will begin assembling its redesigned 2007 Tundra pickup, THIS WILL BE A ON-GOING BATTLE FOR THE CONSUMER ONLY WITH "WHO"S TRUCK IS BIGGER AND BETTER WHEN THE TWO MEET COMMING DOWN THE STREET". The executives have said the company is studying the feasibility of adding a heavy-duty model to compete with similar products from Chevrolet, Dodge, Ford and WELL GMC IS JUST ABOUT CHEVY ANYWAYS.

[eightballsidepocket]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLogic

Any diesel in a 1/2 ton is going to have to be smaller and lighter. Current diesel pickup engines are simply too heavy for 1/2 ton applications. That's why Ford has talked about a V6 for the F150.

but...with Diesel scaring the heck out of $5/gallon...what's the point?

Gas is the way to go for 1/2 ton unless they release a truck that gets more than about 27 mpg.

The diesels planned for the 1/2 tons for Ford, Dodge and GM our of smaller displacement and will come in V6 and V8 form. The Cummins version will go away from their inline 6 configuration and be a V8. All of these diesels will fall into the 4-5 liter displacement ranger, and should get phenomenal mileage.

Even the larger inline 6 cylinder Cummins 5.9 will crack-off almost mid 20's Mpgs. when driven empty and cruising between 55-60 mph.!

So expect these smaller displacement 1/2 ton diesels to be hitting the 30's in MPG's..........Also take into consideration that in most localities, diesels are exempt from smog checks..........they don't have spark plugs, and they will go many more miles than gas engines before needing major overhall.........Also when it comes to Torque figures that really count in P.U. trucks, those smaller diesels will be putting out some pretty big numbers as well as decent H.P. numbers.

I realize that the big turn-off to many is the premium price of a diesel over a gasser P.U.. I can understand, but if you plan to put a lot of miles on that diesel, you can start to recoup your costs, even with the higher diesel fuel prices.

Let's face it........If your Titan is running around 17-19 MPG, and you get a 1/2 ton titan with a 4.x liter V8 Cummins in it that is giving you close to 30 mpg or over, that unleaded versus diesel fuel price difference is a moot point.

With all the low end torque you've got a true work horse engine ready to pull some nice big travel trailers too.

I think diesel prices are going to drop and get down in competitive range with gasoline..........Also, the more diesels that are built and sold to the populous is going to drive down the diesel premium price on these 1/2 tons......

With Daimler's Blue Tec diesel technology being used by Dodge..........they are the only diesel P.U. that meets the 2010 CAFE standards.........Not Ford's Powerstroke, nor G.M.'s Duramax.

I'm pretty sure that Titans will be running with Cummin's power, and will also benefit from the 390 h.p. 410 ft/lbs torque 5.7 liter Hemi too. This even trumps the Tundra 5.7 V8 numbers. All this with pushrods and a less expensive engine to build.

Not knocking the Endeavor V8. It's a beaut, but economics says........if you can get the power, and pay less and still have reliability..........you go in that direction. Never the less the Endeavor will and still has it's place as a great P.U. engine.