Why would Nissan have talks with Ford or GM about engines they don't even make? Does GM own Izuzu and Ford own Navistar?
Often there are "exclusive" contract agreements that prohibit a supplier from going outside of their main customer and selling the same product....i.e. Cummins doesn't sell their 5.9 to Ford, Nissan, G.M. Toyota, etc.. but is exclusive to Dodge/D.C.. That doesn't mean that something can't be renegotiated.
Now, as for Nav-Star/International, they only use the 6.0 Powerstroke in their own line of trucks or they go to Ford.
The G.M./Isuzu Duramax is actually being built in the states, but is exclusive to G.M. products. That can also be changed, but usually there must be some renegotiated agreements.
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By the way, or those that still believe that Ford owns Cummins, that's an internet myth that goes back years ago when Ford owned a small percentage of Cummins, but sold off their ownership long ago.
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Renault has a pretty good line of diesels, as they are one of the biggest car/truck manufacturers in Europe. Maybe Nissan will tap their "Poppa" for the Titan powerplant?
European diesel technology is going full steam as they have been developing ULSD burning diesels for some time, and the U.S. is still in it's infancy.
Diesel is the future for light duty P.U.'s in my opinion. You won't be worrying about those smelly, stinky exhaust fumes much longer, as the new diesels have and are being refined.
Audi just finished in 1st place at Lemans with a V-12, R-10, diesel race car. It has also raced here in the U.S. recently, too. These diesels are Torque Monsters, on the race track, pluse they go further on a gallon of fuel than their high octane gasser competition.
SEPTEMBER 5, 2006
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Gizmag.com
Audi Diesel Powers Ahead
Audi becomes the first manufacturer to win an internationally recognized motor racing championship with a car powered by a diesel engine
Congratulations to Audi on becoming the first car manufacturer to win an internationally recognised motor racing championship with a car powered by a diesel engine. Having made history by winning the Le Mans 24 Hours in June with its revolutionary Audi R10 TDI, Britain's Allan McNish and Dindo Capello, of Italy, have added to the German manufacturer's incredible 2006 success story to take the prestigious American Le Mans Series championship. That's six starts and six wins so far and it's a far cry from the until-recent perception of diesels as those rough-sounding, smelly, commercial vehicles that billow black smoke.
Dumfries-born McNish and Capello steered their Audi R10 TDI home to a hard-earned victory in the latest round at Mosport in Canada (3 Sep) to secure the ALMS title with two races remaining.
McNish and Capello, together with Tom Kristensen (Denmark), wrote history by winning the ALMS season-opening Sebring 12 Hour race (18 Mar) - the first time a diesel-powered sports-prototype had ever won an international sportscar endurance race.
The Audi R10 TDI, powered by an ultra-quiet and economical twin-turbo 5.5-litre V12 diesel engine producing over 650 bhp, then won the Le Mans 24 Hours (Frank Biela/Emanuele Pirro/Marco Werner) and has now started six races winning each one.
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Often there are "exclusive" contract agreements that prohibit a supplier from going outside of their main customer and selling the same product....i.e. Cummins doesn't sell their 5.9 to Ford, Nissan, G.M. Toyota, etc.. but is exclusive to Dodge/D.C.. That doesn't mean that something can't be renegotiated.
Ahh, but you can get a Cummins in a Ford truck. Not the F-250 or F-350 mind you, but you can spec a medium duty Ford (I think its F-650 and larger) with a Cummins, or even a Cat diesel.
I agree with you regarding the diesel being the future of trucks. I believe diesel is the future of all automobiles. Forget the electric powered crap, I'll take a diesel instead.
Ahh, but you can get a Cummins in a Ford truck. Not the F-250 or F-350 mind you, but you can spec a medium duty Ford (I think its F-650 and larger) with a Cummins, or even a Cat diesel.
I agree with you regarding the diesel being the future of trucks. I believe diesel is the future of all automobiles. Forget the electric powered crap, I'll take a diesel instead.
Ahh, but those aren't light-duty trucks, but medium duty, and those aren't part of the light-duty P.U. contractual agreement.
GM. even offers Cummins as well in their medium and heavy duty lines.
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i hope nissan goes with a cat diesel motor cat has the best low end torque over any diesel motor out there
I heard that Caterpillar wasn't interested in the light-duty p.u. market as far as creating a oil burner for that market segment.
Actually, Cummins by far is the only diesel offered in light-duty P.U.'s that has a heavy duty service rating. The Ford Power Stroke and Duramax do not.
If you've ever looked at pictures of the interal parts of the three diesels, Duramax, Cummins, and Powerstroke; pistons, rods, crankshafts, you'd see the evidence. The Cummins 5.9 internals are so much huskier, and also there's less moving parts, as the Cummins is a straight line six, while other two are V8's. It's not unusual to hear about those Cummins powered Dodges going 300,000 miles or more without a tear-down.
By the way, or those that still believe that Ford owns Cummins, that's an internet myth that goes back years ago when Ford owned a small percentage of Cummins, but sold off their ownership long ago.
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If you've ever looked at pictures of the interal parts of the three diesels, Duramax, Cummins, and Powerstroke; pistons, rods, crankshafts, you'd see the evidence.
that argument is all smoke and mirrors. the connecting rods are bigger because the pistons are bigger. the pistons are bigger because there are fewer of them to achieve the same displacement. mass per cylinder displacement is roughly the same. i love the display in the dodge dealership that compares connecting rod mass...it preys on people whom have no idea what they are looking at...
i work at the nissan plant in mississippi and to answer some of your questions is. yes nissan diesel engine is coming from overseas. the reason its coming out in 2009 is that we had to make room for it,so we are sending the quest van to be built in japan
Make room for it is an understatement. Actually, it's more like shoehorn it in. Even with the departure of the Quest, it's gonna be tight on the floor. Then, there's the whole controls and systems issue....
Sting77, I don't know about you, but I've got a pretty big headache and busy project schedule through the winter of '10.
In a recent Automotive News article, I read that Nissan will likely be hooking up with International (Ford/Powerstroke) to design their diesel. Has anyone heard/read the same information? An engine size was not mentioned.
In a recent Automotive News article, I read that Nissan will likely be hooking up with International (Ford/Powerstroke) to design their diesel. Has anyone heard/read the same information? An engine size was not mentioned.
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That is correct for the V6 diesel that will be available for both the 1/2-ton and the heavy-duty. As for the V8 diesel for the heavy-duty, I haven't received that information from upper management or from any of the other engineers in the cubicles around me. Even if I did have that information, I probably couldn't release it this early in the game.
Well I just read a recent article claiming the new Titan 1/2 ton to be redisgned for 08. The heavy duty for 09. It states that there is no motor news available but there will be an Allison tranny. This comes after the merger rumors of Nissan and Chevrolet. So chances are it will be the same as the duramaxx's.
i think the Titan is fine the way it is.. if you want 3/4 ton or bigger go dodge, ford, or chevy. Titan is a good play vehicle... would not make a very good work vehicle.
Titan is a good play vehicle
Anything not right about it can now be fixed (plastic front grill, rear axle diff'), except maybe a front axle LSD or locking diff' (not sure about that?)
Roof solar paneled hybrid-big-(bio)diesel-kinda-clean engine might be useful: more power and mo' mpg.
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I use my truck for work all the time. I am also beginning to see a lot of contractors with Titans. I think it is very strong for a 1500, and definately not just a play truck.
A little more legal payload, would be good though, which should be taken care of with the HD.
09-29-2006, 12:07 PM
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