Heavy Duty Titan On The Way!

[eightballsidepocket]

Originally Posted by WYSIWYG

OK, maybe I'm misinformed, but that's what I've been told. You don't have to be an *** about it

It's not maybe, it's a fact. Ford owns nothing of Cummins.

This rumor has been bantered around the tow vehicle/light duty diesel P.U. forums for years.

It has a lot to do with the fact that the Cummins 5.9 is such a good, reliable oil burner compared to the trouble prone 6.0 Ford Power Stroke.

Also, consider, why would Ford use an International/NavStar built diesel, if they owned some or part of Cummins?
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Cummin's 5.9 is going to be enlarged to a 6.7 liter to make up for emissions changes that will be bringing the H.P. and Torque numbers down on current diesels without displacement increases.
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Dodge is planning to go with the 6 -speed Aisin Automatic as it is a match if not a better auto-tranny than the current 6-speed GM Allison. Dodge currently uses the in-house built 48RE Automatic for their Cummins powered Rams. It is a very reliable, and sturdy tranny, but lacks the extra gears of the Allison. The 48RE actually is patterned after the famous Mopar 727 Torqueflite automatic that was used in Hemi, and 440 cid hi-performance muscle cars back in the late 60's and early to mid 70's. The 48RE was first introduced in the 2004 1/2 Cummins powered Dodge Rams. It replaced the 47RE which was pretty good, but did have some problems. So Far the 48RE isn't having any reported problems that follow a major trend.
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When Nissan goes with a diesel that's competitive with the U.S. big 3 offerings, they will definitely need a beefier automatic, and a much heavier rear-end too. If their current 5 speed Automatic can be beefed up to handle the monumental torque of competitive diesel torque, that would be great. I hope they don't go with a 1/2 measure, but invest R & D in a good heavy duty unit. I also hope that Nissan might go away from Dana rearends and go with American Axle that supplies heavy duty units to GM, and Dodge. I'm not sure about Ford's rear end venders.

If that upcoming diesel is Cummins, Navstar, Duramax, or a Hino....etc.., it will certainly be an interesting development. If Nissan goes with the Cummins, they will need to lengthen their engine compartment considerably as the Cummins is an inline six. The Powerstroke and Duramax are V8's. The Cummin's pistons and rods make the powerstroke and duramax's look pretty puny. Only the Cummins is rated for medium duty service as the powerstroke and duramax are not(light service rated diesels).

Ultra low sulfur diesel will be the norm and will be the main offering of diesel fuel in the U.S. by the time Nissan and Toyota jump into the light duty diesel p.u. market.
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Where Nissan and Toyota could really trump the Big 3, would be if they offered a smaller diesel that has H.P. in the 200+ h.p. range with torque in the 400+ ft/lbs. range. The mileage difference between that type/size diesel and a midsize gasser engine would be unique and incredibly popular in my opinion.

Never the less, if Nissan and Toyota were to jump in with diesels the size of the big 3, it will make for an interesting situation for "us" the consumers. Maybe it will even drive down the premium prices tacked onto diesel equipped p.u.'s.

[ptgarcia]

Well said eightball. Let me clarify/correct one thing:

Originally Posted by eightballsidepocket

Dodge is planning to go with the 6 -speed Aisin Automatic as it is a match if not a better auto-tranny than the current 6-speed GM Allison. ......
When Nissan goes with a diesel that's competitive with the U.S. big 3 offerings, they will definitely need a beefier automatic, and a much heavier rear-end too. If their current 5 speed Automatic can be beefed up to handle the monumental torque of competitive diesel torque, that would be great. I hope they don't go with a 1/2 measure, but invest R & D in a good heavy duty unit. I also hope that Nissan might go away from Dana rearends and go with American Axle that supplies heavy duty units to GM, and Dodge. I'm not sure about Ford's rear end venders.

The 6-speed AS68RC Aisin auto tranny will only be available in the Chassis & Cab model Rams, at least as of today. However, there will be a 6-speed auto in the 2500 and 3500 Ram lineup. It will be built in-house like the 48RE and will be designated 68RE.

[Shane06fl]

I read in some rag at the Nissan dealership today that Nissan and International are talking and that Nissan and GM are talking. Doesn't mean much, just talk.

[Titan-Power]

Originally Posted by nats rig

can't wait for new tundra so i can get rid of this titan. new boats extra towing weight caused me to sell my great tundra [7100lb.] & buy a titan LE [9400lb.]. brought to dealer 9 times for brake work, 4 times for radio, 2 times for drivers window switch, 3 times for trailer lights not working. i have owned seven toyota trucks & never returned to the dealer with a problem. NEW TUNDRA, CAN'T WAIT

You really think the Toy will come out first year run with no problems? Sorry to hear so many problems with your Titan tho, thats allot. You definetly have a lemon and are among to rare group that has that many problems.

[Herbpov]

Why try and make a heavy duty when they can't even make a reliable light duty.

[orangepeel]

Originally Posted by eightballsidepocket

Ford owns nothing of Cummins.

This rumor has been bantered around the tow vehicle/light duty diesel P.U. forums for years.

It has a lot to do with the fact that the Cummins 5.9 is such a good, reliable oil burner compared to the trouble prone 6.0 Ford Power Stroke.

Also, consider, why would Ford use an International/NavStar built diesel, if they owned some or part of Cummins?

Ford DID own a vey small (about 9-12%) part of Cummins.They bought the shares in 1990,and sold them back to Cummins in 1997.Here's the article from the New York Times http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C0A961958260

Thats when the rumor got started,and it had nothing to do with the POS 6.0 PSD because Ford had the 7.3 liter when the rumor was started.

Even with Ford owning that small percentage of Cummins,they never had any say so or controlling interest in what Cummins did.

Its hard to believe this rumor is still going after all these years.

[TONYGOOLSBY]

does aneyone what ton the titan is a 1/2 or 3/4 ?

[konigfritz]

current model is 1/2. HD should be rated at 3/4

[TitanBlue]

Originally Posted by Herbpov

Why try and make a heavy duty when they can't even make a reliable light duty.

Who? We're all talking about the Nissan Titan. Rated #1 currently by its owners in the latest survey, something called PEAL IIRC-Performance, Engineering, Appeal, ???

It is highly reliable now, not when introduced in 2004. Rears are much better (Heavier would be better), Brakes fixed, Air Conditioning fixed. My 06 CC is only 3 months old, but virtually flawless, needed tires rebalanced, but that is minor. It does what a 1/2 ton CC/Short Bed should do, and very fast. Nothing better has ever been built.


It has "Earned" its #1 Rating.

[Shane06fl]

it's a 1/2 ton, stout 1/2 ton but a 1/2 ton.

[mudslinggintitan04]

yep, its a intertrashional(international) six turbo diesel goin into it. with a possible v-8 turbo diesel from an unknown maker(possibly cummings or powerstroke) for their upline model.

[Cujo]

The HD version is due out for 2009/2010. It will have many different options, including a 6 ft, 6.5 ft and 8ft beds. They've scrapped the regular cab version though so it'll only be King Cabs and Crew Cabs. I believe a dually is also in the works!

[eightballsidepocket]

Well, if Nissan and Ford continue their talks, and some kind of working relationship comes out of it, I would see the possibility that the Titan may have or go with the Nav-Star diesels, that Ford utilizes for their light-duty P.U.'s.

Looks like that 6.4 twin turbo that Ford is going to be replacing the current, troublesome 6.0 Power Stroke with may be the Titan's next oil burning power plant.

Now if Nissan's possible talks with GM are the direction then I would say we have a Duramax powered Titan on the horizon.

It's hard to tell what Goshn is doing right now. Seems like he's playing GM and Ford against each other to see who will give Nissan the best advantage financially, and strategically for the American market.

[ptgarcia]

Why would Nissan have talks with Ford or GM about engines they don't even make? Does GM own Izuzu and Ford own Navistar?

[ptgarcia]

Originally Posted by mudslinggintitan04

yep, its a intertrashional(international) six turbo diesel goin into it. with a possible v-8 turbo diesel from an unknown maker(possibly cummings or powerstroke) for their upline model.

Cummins (no "g") doesn't make a V8 diesel.