Cash For Clunkers Success

[HemiETR]

Wow! With respect, we might need a super super moderator here.

The 911 hijackers were from Saudia Arabia trained in Afghanistan. So I ask why did we go to Iraq? Please answer that.

Pearl Harbor was caused by us. You cut off someone's Oil supply "as Roosevelt did" and they might go crazy and start a war.

Here's you a link,
WikiAnswers - Why was Japan's oil supply cut off in World War 2 and why was this such a threat to them

Originally Posted by 37L1

You are what you eat. Just how many Hemi's have you eaten?

Iraq isn't the only war. Where's your Afghanistan death count?

So, using your logic, should we have quit fighting WWII when the death count surpassed Pearl Harbor?

And it wasn't just 911, watch the video, that is, if it doesn't exceed your attention span.

[HemiETR]

Why not start the war with Saudia Arabia? Because they supply the majority of the world's oil.

Why not start a war with the whole state of New York for the Timothy McVeigh bombing?

[37L1]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Wow! With respect, we might need a super super moderator here.

The 911 hijackers were from Saudia Arabia trained in Afghanistan. So I ask why did we go to Iraq? Please answer that.

Pearl Harbor was caused by us. You cut off someone's Oil supply "as Roosevelt did" and they might go crazy and start a war.

Here's you a link,
WikiAnswers - Why was Japan's oil supply cut off in World War 2 and why was this such a threat to them

So we caused WWII by cutting off Japan's oil? US actions towards Japan did not happen in a vacuum yet you choose to ignore all the other things Japan was doing that led to any US response regarding Japan and diplomacy. Nice. Convenient.

You didn't answer my question about the body count, BTW, but diverted by saying Pearl Harbor was our fault. Try to stick with the points of discussion shall we?

Back to your discussion points:

So we shouldn't fight "Terrorists" because there isn't any terrorism, it's all lies? A made up word. Is that what you have posted?

Why it appears to be so.

Originally Posted by HemiEtr

Yes we know why we're all there. We're selfish American's. We're there for Oil, money and fear. Not this made up word of Terrorism

So because you say we shouldn't be in Iraq, we shouldn't be in Afghanistan either?

Where should we be and why?

Originally Posted by HemiEtr

At that time the entire country was being fed complete garbage about what grave danger we were all in. Only to find out that all of that "intelligence" was nothing but lies.

Remember this was your reason for the passing of the Patriot Act.

You say that the Patriot Act of 2006 was based on lies and garbage, that's the excuse you're giving for Congress and Liberal Democrats in particular voting for and reenacting it? What in particular were those lies and garbage? What are your reasons why such deep thinkers as Obama, Biden, Clinton, etc., fell for it.

Or are you confusing it with the original Patriot Act that was passed in the wake of the 9/11 attacks? Are you saying that you believe those attacks were lies and garbage?

Go ahead, entertain, er, enlighten me.

[honeykeeper]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Why not start the war with Saudia Arabia? Because they supply the majority of the world's oil.

We went to war with Iraq shortly after Sadam announced selling oil for Euros...Saudi Arabia just dropped the WT1 oil contract for the same reason
Saudi Arabia Drops WT1 Oil Contract
.........this should get interesting.

[HemiETR]

Yes, we shouldn't be in Afghan either. Just an FYI, Afghan's are fighting us with weapons we provided to them to fight the Russian's...

Your next question was "where should we be and why"?? Now that's a ridiculous question. Why does our military have to be somewhere. Do you wish for peace?

Without a doubt I am entertaining, er, enlighting you or we wouldn't be going back and forth.

If there are more questions for me please ask them one thread at a time. Also if you're going to throw the point out for me to answer your questions please answer mine as well. Like the one asked, what is your opinion why we went to war with Iraq? And please don't say "terrorism"

Originally Posted by 37L1

So we caused WWII by cutting off Japan's oil? US actions towards Japan did not happen in a vacuum yet you choose to ignore all the other things Japan was doing that led to any US response regarding Japan and diplomacy. Nice. Convenient.

You didn't answer my question about the body count, BTW, but diverted by saying Pearl Harbor was our fault. Try to stick with the points of discussion shall we?

Back to your discussion points:

So we shouldn't fight "Terrorists" because there isn't any terrorism, it's all lies? A made up word. Is that what you have posted?

Why it appears to be so.



So because you say we shouldn't be in Iraq, we shouldn't be in Afghanistan either?

Where should we be and why?

Remember this was your reason for the passing of the Patriot Act.

You say that the Patriot Act of 2006 was based on lies and garbage, that's the excuse you're giving for Congress and Liberal Democrats in particular voting for and reenacting it? What in particular were those lies and garbage? What are your reasons why such deep thinkers as Obama, Biden, Clinton, etc., fell for it.

Or are you confusing it with the original Patriot Act that was passed in the wake of the 9/11 attacks? Are you saying that you believe those attacks were lies and garbage?

Go ahead, entertain, er, enlighten me.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

We've (us middle classes) been doing your second paragraph since the Reagan Administration, continued for Bush senior and cont. for Bush Jr. We all agree the system isn't perfect.

I notice you left off all democrats. Is that because you think the dems are any better? If so I am LMAO. They are both f8cked up. Until you see that you are lost.

If the cash for clunkers or health care option was from a conservative all you'd be on board. But, since both of those take from the rich (which us hard working American's will never be, but Repub's like for you to think you will be) Hahaha

BSSo to follow your logic, than I must support the tort reform and the patriot act.

I don't see anyone defending the republicans. But you sure are ate up with the democrats aren't you? Wake up the both suck.

IMO, we do need a health care option and the Cash for clunkers ultimate goal was to take these 10 mile per gallon vehicles off the road, which they did.

Screw health care pay for your own or die in the damn streets. And as far as cash for clunkers, it was just another way to take more of our money, nothing more nothing less, and unconstitutional to add to it. You really should wake up.

And for the record the only thing the government does that I support is our military, everything else they can all kiss my arse.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Yes, kind of like this War on Terrorism we're still in!

I don't see your fearless leader pulling us out.

And no I don't think our troops should be anywhere other than U.S. soil.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Yes, thank you Bush Jr. for that Patriot Act!

You mean the one that bobo was going to repeal. and didn't. No I don't support bush on the patriot act, or many other things.

[rholland]

I actually support the Patriot Act, and I actually believe that we are in a war with (radical Islam) wether Obama thinks so or not.

Muslims Have Conquered Europe Without Firing A Shot

America Will Be Next, Unless We Wake UpBy Herb Denenberg, The Bulletin
Friday, May 15, 2009
Take a little quiz to see if you fully understand the state of the world:

Question 1

True or False: In Brussels, Belgium, the capital of the European Union and Belgium, the Socialist mayor presides over a caucus that has a majority made up of Muslims.

Question 2

True or False: In a few years, Amsterdam, Antwerp, Rotterdam and many other European cities will reach majority Muslim status.

Question 3

True or False: The Muslim population of the United Kingdom is increasing 10 times faster than the general population.



Question 4

True or False: British banks have abolished piggy banks, as they might offend Muslims and police in Brussels are enjoined from eating doughnuts during Ramadan.

Question 5

True or False: Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London, believes it is perfectly acceptable to blow up buses in Tel Aviv, but objects to those blowing up buses in England.

Question 6

True or False: The British lean over backward to grant freedom of speech to Muslim groups, even as they slander returning war heroes; but they also lean over backward to silence any critics of Islam.

If you answered true to all six questions, you’re tuned into what is going on in Europe. All six are true. This quiz is based on an article by Mark Steyn in Commentary Magazine (May 2009) titled “Israel Today, The West Tomorrow: Acquiescence to extremist Islam’s assault on Jewry and Israel will not save the nations of Europe from a Muslim Fate.”

[rholland]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Wow! With respect, we might need a super super moderator here.

The 911 hijackers were from Saudia Arabia trained in Afghanistan. So I ask why did we go to Iraq? Please answer that.

Pearl Harbor was caused by us. You cut off someone's Oil supply "as Roosevelt did" and they might go crazy and start a war.

Here's you a link,
WikiAnswers - Why was Japan's oil supply cut off in World War 2 and why was this such a threat to them

Is this what Public Education has come to? We are in a heap of trouble!!!

[SpiritOne]

Originally Posted by rholland

I actually support the Patriot Act

Well then you are against the constitution.

Originally Posted by rholland

and I actually believe that we are in a war with (radical Islam)

radical Islam = yes
regular Islam = no

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by rholland

I actually support the Patriot Act, and I actually believe that we are in a war with (radical Islam) wether Obama thinks so or not.

Muslims Have Conquered Europe Without Firing A Shot

America Will Be Next, Unless We Wake UpBy Herb Denenberg, The Bulletin
Friday, May 15, 2009
Take a little quiz to see if you fully understand the state of the world:

I don't really like the Patriot act and believe it will be used against citizens other than terrorists but will digress from that for now to to discuss a takeover by Radical Islam instead.

As I was reading the statements about Islam, I instinctively knew that they were probably true but we have to ask ourselves why that is.

Is it because there has been an invasion by Radical Islam or is it because those countries and citizens have surrendered their sovereignty and their individual rights?

Islam is often blamed for the ills of other societies but are they really to blame, or are those civilizations and the citizens of them just ripe for bloodless takeover because of a sellout mentality of the citizens?

What I see happening looks a whole lot more like the surrender of ideals, traditions, individual rights for collective safety or security and in essence, a capitulation for assimilation by a population that has been brainwashed into believing that a one world government or new world order is the future of all that's good and right, rather than possibly the end of civilization as they know it.

I believe that if people understood what made up a successful civilization, they would be far less likely to abandon their ideals, values, morals and individual liberty for the promise of a peaceful and bountiful future but they don't, and instead, they seem to have adopted a propensity for surrender of all that made them what they are for the promise of something better which of course is not necessarily any better, quite probably much worse and even destructive both culturally and financially.

We do it here as well and with us it is quite evident to see what is happening with regard to Mexico and our lack of immigration enforcement and "naturalization" policies because we promote an open boarder policy with regard to Mexico, provide free health care, free schooling, free welfare assistance and do everything but send written invitations to the people of Mexico, inviting them to violate our laws and then when some Mexicans arrive and don't happen to like our culture, laws or language, they don't choose to assimilate, they instead attempt to change the U.S. to suit them and the U.S. in turn capitulates in many respects.

No, I'm not buying the "War with Islam" although there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, especially in foreign nations and yes, many "Radical Muslims" would love to eliminate all the infidels around the globe but the fact is, in order to have a war there has to be bloodshed on a much larger scale when there are this many people involved so no, I don't see a bloodless war but rather I see instead a surrender of nations and their inhabitants and the citizens of those nations being led like cattle to their own slaughter by the very governments who they elected to protect their individual rights and sovereignty.

In the end it seems that the citizens of many nations have been convinced that "multiculturalism" is possible and desirable in a successful society or civilization and rather than common language, values, morals and ideals of liberty and individual rights, many governments have chosen to accommodate other cultures at the expense of their sovereignty, citizens and quite possibly their civilizations for the promise of the peace and prosperity of a New World Order.

We are at war alright but not with Radical Islam because what the citizens of this nation need to be fighting for is the Constitution rather than against a bloodless invasion of a foreign people who, without the capitulation of the government and the citizens, stand no chance of assimilating us whether they are armed or not and provided the citizens of the U.S. hold fast and fight for our values, traditions, morals, freedom and individual liberties, no nation on earth stands a chance of taking us over via a bloodless invasion or an armed one for that matter but if we don't retain the will to fight for our rights, look to Britain and some of the rest of the European Union countries and their knife banning, free speech encroaching governments and the wussification of those nations and their pansy populations for a taste of things to come if the citizens of the U.S. allow it.

[HemiETR]

Helo,

Yes they both parties are messed up! As far as health care. I hope you have a great policy and you never need a major surgery or cancer. Or pills as you grow old that cost $100 each.

Anyone who thinks our health system is great as it is, is lost. Insurance company's and pharmaceutical company's are absurb. Do you like the making the rich, richer?? They make billions, need bail-outs and steal from the middle class, "us". They'll drop you for a stupid reason.

FDR had is right when he wanted to provide medical for the country. He died and as you know his cabinet moved to Europe where they installed medical care for their country. Those who live there think its the best thing ever. They don't mind paying the taxes and the quality of service is excellent.

Originally Posted by helomech

I notice you left off all democrats. Is that because you think the dems are any better? If so I am LMAO. They are both f8cked up. Until you see that you are lost.




BSSo to follow your logic, than I must support the tort reform and the patriot act.

I don't see anyone defending the republicans. But you sure are ate up with the democrats aren't you? Wake up the both suck.



Screw health care pay for your own or die in the damn streets. And as far as cash for clunkers, it was just another way to take more of our money, nothing more nothing less, and unconstitutional to add to it. You really should wake up.

And for the record the only thing the government does that I support is our military, everything else they can all kiss my arse.

[HemiETR]

Example,

If Saudia was to cut off Oil, you don't don't think we'd invade? We'd be the first one there.

Originally Posted by rholland

Is this what Public Education has come to? We are in a heap of trouble!!!

[jjski78]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Helo,

Yes they both parties are messed up! As far as health care. I hope you have a great policy and you never need a major surgery or cancer. Or pills as you grow old that cost $100 each.

Anyone who thinks our health system is great as it is, is lost. Insurance company's and pharmaceutical company's are absurb. Do you like the making the rich, richer?? They make billions, need bail-outs and steal from the middle class, "us". They'll drop you for a stupid reason.

FDR had is right when he wanted to provide medical for the country. He died and as you know his cabinet moved to Europe where they installed medical care for their country. Those who live there think its the best thing ever. They don't mind paying the taxes and the quality of service is excellent.

Please oh PLEASE tell me you're joking...really...you HAVE to be trolling this thread. NO ONE could POSSIBLY be so stupid as to think the people of europe actually like their socialized medicine. I mean, I'm in the military, and I HATE mine.