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[HemiETR]

Oh please, oh please, I'm in the military and Tricare works for me and 4 dependants wonderful.

You can always decline it for your family if you "hate" it so bad. Start paying a regular insurance plan and I'm sure you'd start to love Tricare.

[HemiETR]

jjski, please do your own research before posting a comment. Here's you a couple of sights. Your opinion does not match the country's.



How Do Europeans Perceive Their Healthcare System? Patterns of Satisfaction and Preference for State Involvement in the Field of Healthcare -- Wendt et al., 10.1093/esr/jcp014 -- European Sociological Review

Patient Satisfaction with Healthcare Systems: Do Different Funding Models Lead to Different Results?

Originally Posted by jjski78

Please oh PLEASE tell me you're joking...really...you HAVE to be trolling this thread. NO ONE could POSSIBLY be so stupid as to think the people of europe actually like their socialized medicine. I mean, I'm in the military, and I HATE mine.

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by jjski78

Please oh PLEASE tell me you're joking...really...you HAVE to be trolling this thread. NO ONE could POSSIBLY be so stupid as to think the people of europe actually like their socialized medicine. I mean, I'm in the military, and I HATE mine.

Great logic there jj!

No one in Europe could like socialized medicine because you don't like tricare...

Contrary to what you tell yourself in the mirror, the world does not revolve around you...

[rholland]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Oh please, oh please, I'm in the military and Tricare works for me and 4 dependants wonderful.

You can always decline it for your family if you "hate" it so bad. Start paying a regular insurance plan and I'm sure you'd start to love Tricare.

Are you sure that you are in the military and not in high school
Your dad has a nice titan.

[SpiritOne]

well this is becoming a typical attack.

"He doesn't think like us! Quick question his military career and call him a child!"

So he hasn't had any bad TriCare experiences yet. Kudos to him. But guess what, TriCare is nothing close to what the Europeans have in their government social health care system. Most Europeans look at us like were selfish bastards for not giving our citizens such a basic necessity as Health Care. They like theirs just fine. Now, that doesn't mean its right. I am still not an advocate for universal Health Care in this country. What those Europeans don't understand is the logistical differences between us and them. Take even Great Britain for example, with a paltry 51 million blokes. No where near the 330 million Americans.

[Pops]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

... Take even Great Britain for example, with a paltry 51 million blokes. No where near the 330 million Americans.

You forgot to add "on welfare" for the "No where near the 330 million Americans on welfare". I don't know of any country that supports as many lazy and selfish people as this one does. Maybe another reason why Americans are viewed as selfish???

I don't give a rats arse about Europeans or any other country for that matter, they don't have a rediculously large society of leeches milking off us in the working class like we do here. Until we admit up to and face that as a society, nothing will repair it.

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by Pops

You forgot to add "on welfare" for the "No where near the 330 million Americans on welfare". I don't know of any country that supports as many lazy and selfish people as this one does. Maybe another reason why Americans are viewed as selfish???

I don't give a rats arse about Europeans or any other country for that matter, they don't have a rediculously large society of leeches milking off us in the working class like we do here. Until we admit up to and face that as a society, nothing will repair it.

I don't have solid numbers to back it up but I respectfully choose to disagree here Pops. I have friends from Ireland and England and judging by the stories they tell alone, I am going to make an educated guess that there are plenty of folks on the dole over there as well but what I notice is that with them, there is not nearly the animosity for folks on their version of welfare as there are here.

Is it a weaker work ethic? Is it an acceptance of what will be will be by the citizens and a more Socialist mentality? I'm not quite sure but as one example, my friend told me that his brother in law is getting the equivalent of 100,000 a year NOT to fish salmon and nobody has a problem with that apparently and he said you can go to the local pubs at any time of day and find plenty of folks on the dole who spend all their time at the pub every day.

I don't know where their government gets that kind of money, is it from us? Do they just print what they need all the time and devalue their currency to accommodate the growing numbers of dole recipients?

Hard to tell but one thing is certain, they have their fair share of those that would rather play than work and this is a funny bit from a movie I saw years ago with that in mind and because the accents are quit heavy, I will give you the gist of it. The fellow going for the job interview has been referred by the government and he can't look as though he's not trying to get the job or the government will cut off his welfare but if he tries too hard, he may actually get the job.

YouTube - Trainspotting - Interview

[Pops]

Originally Posted by Papa_D

I don't have solid numbers to back it up but I respectfully choose to disagree here Pops. I have friends from Ireland and England and judging by the stories they tell alone, I am going to make an educated guess that there are plenty of folks on the dole over there as well but what I notice is that with them, there is not nearly the animosity for folks on their version of welfare as there are here. ...

I don't know, I'm just blind-guessing. The daily increasing Welfare numbers in addition to the proposed changes are just really frustrating. It's very irritating to be taking my hard earned money away from my family to support other people's drug habits, especially the ones running the meth lab houses down the street from me.


Here's some International Stats:

http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1...h-America.html

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by Pops

I don't know, I'm just blind-guessing. The daily increasing Welfare numbers in addition to the proposed changes are just really frustrating. It's very irritating to be taking my hard earned money away from my family to support other people's drug habits, especially the ones running the meth lab houses down the street from me.


Here's some International Stats:

Social Welfare in Europe and North America - Atlantic Review - Analysis of Transatlantic Relations and U.S. Foreign Policy

Interesting stats to say the least and this bit is what I have a problem with.

But the simple fact is that the United States has a large government too and probably has less to show for it, in terms of relative poverty reductions and social equity.

Not that I disagree, in fact I agree whole heartedly with that summation. That's not to say that I am a proponent of existing or further welfare programs with poor oversight either, but rather that the Europeans seem to be doing a better job with their bloated and over grown government than we are.

The Federal Government in contrast seems to get a whole lot less for the money they take from us and give to others than the Europeans do, and yet some folks want to give them even more and in the end, I think what we would end up with would be a Socialist government that cost far more than in the rest of the "civilized world."

I feel your pain as well with regard to seeing your tax dollars pissed away on people who are less than deserving of the help they receive because we had a family that rented property on our street and they were eventually kicked out for not paying their rent and although I know they were at least getting food stamps, that didn't stop them from owning two vehicles and not feeding their kids or animals properly yet they had money for smokes and beer.

They were not the stereotypical "black on crack" version of the welfare recipient that so many folks like to imagine either, but rather a white family that was doing their best to take full advantage of the system as well and when they left the rental property, they tore out the appliances that weren't theirs, left animal dung everywhere in the home, abandoned their dogs which my neighbor cares for now, and generally trashed the rental house as best they could prior to vacating it.

When the federal government throws money at a problem with no accountability for expenditure, we can expect more of the same however I am far more pissed at the corporations who are bilking us than the average Meth dealer on welfare and in the end, at least the folks receiving welfare aren't getting stinking rich on my dime like some of these elitist azzholes who take our money, close up shop and head off to their yacht somewhere for a long vacation.

YouTube - Shuttin Detroit Down Music Video

[HemiETR]

LOL, typical of these kind of threads. Someone speaks up normally a liberal and a conservative attacks them. Real smart thread rholland. It would have been smarter if you would have added something useful.

Originally Posted by rholland

Are you sure that you are in the military and not in high school
Your dad has a nice titan.

[jjski78]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

Oh please, oh please, I'm in the military and Tricare works for me and 4 dependants wonderful.

You can always decline it for your family if you "hate" it so bad. Start paying a regular insurance plan and I'm sure you'd start to love Tricare.

Oh please oh please. Unlike most people in the military, and by your location I'm guessing you're in the USAF as I am, I actually worked in the real world for a few years before joining and could afford my blue cross/blue shield perfectly fine. And yes, it was light years better than Tricare. Pick your own doctor, don't need a referral for anything, it was great. Now I get the "doctor" (placed in quotations because 99.9% of the time you see a PA, not an MD) that Tricare assigns me, like the one who for 5 YEARS said there was nothing wrong with my shoulder and kept throwing 800mg Motrin at it, only to find out when I finally got a new PCM that I had a severe rotator cuff tear. Or how about my blown out knee that once again was treated with Motrin for years before they finally decided "hey, maybe we should do an MRI!" Amazing, they found a torn ACL!! Only took a few years of agony though. Or, how about my back that has been giving me fits for about 5 years. Again, Motrin, 800mg. Get a new PCM and voila!!! MRI, 2 ruptured discs, and surgery. But yeah, Tricare is great!! It's the bees knees!!

Oh, and since you ARE in the military, and you are advocating for universal health care which is unconstitutional, maybe you should separate since your ability to uphold your oath is now in question.

[jjski78]

Oh, and I forgot a few more examples of Tricare's "greatness".
- My son, who was 6 months old at the time came down with pink eye. We call the pediatric clinic to schedule an appointment and are told "you can't bring him in here, he's SICK" Well no **** sherlock. Would we be calling to schedule an appointment if he was good to go?? So we ask if they can call in a prescription for us to pick up to clear this up. The response: "he needs to be seen to get a prescription" Ummm, say what?? So you won't see him because he's sick, but won't call in a prescription until you see him. Anyone else see the problem here??
- My son, newborn, projectile vomiting no matter what he ate. Formula, breast milk, soy formula, you name it. Their reply: "he'll get over it". In the meantime he had already lost 2 pounds, which if you really do have kids you should know, is not good for a 1 month old baby. We fight with the pediatrics clinic, argue with Tricare, and file complaints with the patient advocate and the IG before we FINALLY got a referral to the children's hospital where it was discovered that my baby man had a nasty case of acid reflux. Were told what formula to use (Alimentum, $27 for a small can OUCH!) and to get a wedge pillow for him to sleep on. Problem finally solved a month later.
- My wife, also active duty, was getting ridiculous shin splints while running. "Doctors" told her to suck it up. Told her she was fat, which she's not, she's just not some skinny little waif like you see in magazines. She starts running with a friend who is an exercise freak and is told her stride is too long (probably from trying to keep up with me, I'm 6'3" she's 5'). She shortens her stride and OMG!!! No more shin splints. Imagine that.

But yeah, you keep thinking Tricare is great.

[SpiritOne]

I got you beat JJ.

My son was under a year old and learning how to walk. He was at the stage where he was pulling himself up on objects. We lived in an apartment off base, and it was an upstairs apartment with a downstairs entry. Kid pulls himself up on the gate blocking the stairs shakes it twice and rides it down. We take him to the ER only to be seated for 5 hours without being seen. We finally left because we figured if he had internal injuries he would have died in the waiting room.

They didn't make sure all the placenta was out of my wife after she gave birth to our daughter. Almost killed her. Also didn't bother with any kind of local when they stitched her FINALLY after the episiotomy, so she is in more pain after childbirth sewing her up.

Same story with my knee as yours. 3 years of treatment with marine candy (800mg motrin), 2 xrays taken which showed nothing (DUH!) and then 10% disability after. When I take my surgical records, the MRI of my repeatedly torn ACL and notes from several doctors about the extensive reconstruction required to the VA to get them to FIX my VA records to say torn ACL and not "chronic knee pain", I get denied.

This is all just part of why I am against universal health care now. This doesn't even scratch the surface of how a government plan would effect me now that I work in health care.

[rholland]

Originally Posted by HemiETR

LOL, typical of these kind of threads. Someone speaks up normally a liberal and a conservative attacks them. Real smart thread rholland. It would have been smarter if you would have added something useful.

Yea, I could post something smart like the USA causing Pearl Harbor, get real, that is something a dumb high school student would say, and I know high school students, I work at a High School.

[jjski78]

Spirit, we may not get along very often, but I'm glad you feel my pain. Socialized medicine is the WORST possible thing you could do to the people.