At Least 7 Dead, 20 Wounded in Shootings at Ft. Hood in Texas

[daptech]

Originally Posted by bestatchess

Maybe they need to re-evaluate putting the enemy in the military, or at least make them wear bright orange uniforms as a courtesy warning to fellow troops...............................

At least have better screening............that POS should not have
been in the military.
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"Nidal Malik Hasan was born in Virginia but didn’t think of himself as an American:
on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, Maryland,
he gave his nationality not as “American” but as “Palestinian.” A mosque official
found that curious, saying: “I don’t know why he listed Palestinian. He was not
born in Palestine.”
He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from the
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. While there, NPR reports,
Hasan was “put on probation early in his postgraduate work” and was “disciplined
for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues.”

[bestatchess]

Originally Posted by daptech

At least have better screening............that POS should not have
been in the military.

I dunno if it is true or not, but there are reports he wanted out and they wouldn't boot him out.

washingtonpost.com

[Pops]

Originally Posted by bestatchess

I dunno if it is true or not, but there are reports he wanted out and they wouldn't boot him out....

But that's nothing new. Heck, I knew some weenies who'd go out and try to get hurt just to get a medical discharge. Also keep in mind, he did have the option to go AWOL if he wanted out THAT bad, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. The problem I see is that this'll likely be handled as an isolated incident.

[daptech]

Yeh, he claims that he was harassed because he was a Muslim. Was
he harassed before or after he started running his mouth about
his opposition to the Iraq/Afgan wars?
.........and what is his definition of harassment....having people
not agree with his opinion?
He may have been in the military only to get a free education.....from
what I understand military training made him a doctor.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by bestatchess

I dunno if it is true or not, but there are reports he wanted out and they wouldn't boot him out.

washingtonpost.com

He was an officer, he could have resigned. But he would have been in for his medical school bills.

[CBBob]

Ft. Hood Gunman: A Startling Revelation
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre on Thursday that took the lives of at least 13 people and injured 30 more, shouted out "Allahu Akbar!" (which is Arabic for "God is great!") before opening fire at the Army base in Texas. The shooting took place in the Soldier Readiness Center where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Some soldiers nearby were preparing to head into a graduation ceremony.
See photos of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a medical doctor, who is alleged to have shot and killed at least 13 people and injured 30 more in a massacre at Fort Hood, Texas on November 5, 2009. Keep clicking to see what happened in the aftermath.

The Associated Press reports that Hasan was an Army psychiatrist who was trained to help soldiers in distress and was slated to be deployed to the Middle East. It is not known why he turned on his comrades, but it is known that he objected to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and to fighting fellow Muslims. Although Hasan was shot four times during the rampage, he is still alive. As of Friday morning, Hasan was in stable condition in an area hospital, although he was on a ventilator and unconscious.

Was this tragedy something the Army should have foreseen? Or is the final irony the fact that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, is the very person the Army would have trusted to see the potential for this to happen? Sound off in the Political Debate Forum.

Even though Fort Hood Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said Hasan was not known to be a threat or risk, law enforcement officials say that at least six months ago, it came to their attention that his name was linked to Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats. The posts equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades. It has not been determined yet if Hasan was the author of the posting. A formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, according to law enforcement officials who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

Days before the shooting, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did something very odd. Find out what a neighbor told investigators.

When the shooting broke out, police and medical and other emergency personnel were on the scene in an instant, yelling at people to move into the theater where the graduation ceremony was to have been held. Fort Hood went into lockdown as victims were treated at the scene, and law enforcement officials hunted for the shooter. Some soldiers ripped off their uniforms and used them as makeshift bandages for the wounded. Cone praised them, saying "God bless these soldiers. As horrible as this was it could have been worse."

[bestatchess]

I guess to be PC, we need to consider the Islamic perspective:

"I think this happened a bit too late to be included in Inayats publication about "great contributions by muslim soldiers for the empire"."

"I'm sure the other Muslim members of the US military will be thrilled to hear this."

"He was brave indeed, and I'm sure he's now rolling in a sea of arms and legs, as promised. Hey, I might like that deal myself, especially if I've spent years never having sex. Kind of a good motivator, wouldn't you say? Almost as if it were designed that way."

"But anyway, a brave and honorable mujahid indeed. I'm sure he was perfectly OK with the treachery of taking the military oath of service, training with other loyal Americans, and then turning his guns on them. But the good thing is that it shows the world how clever Muslims are. "

"No we can expect the corporate crusader media to start putting out all kinds of "reports/information" to make Hasan seem as criminal as they can. Of course they will not mention all the crimes the army soldiers at fort hood have committed against Iraqis and Afghanis. "

"Listen my Brothers,

We must cease this endless bickering between us. Our Brother in arms has done his work, and may soon meet Allah and receive his virgins (We shall pray that at least a few be female, but I have my doubts).

Instead of fighting amongst ourselves, we must unite against our common enemy: prime-time American television. Surely this programming is the work of the devil himself. Have you seen "Gossip Girl"? Allah help us. My future wife Pam-ela will never again participate in the "Watching of the Bay", I promise you! And do not even start me on American cinema! Secular garbage! Filthy American harlots (pardon my language).

Remember, brothers, WWMD (What Would Muhammad Do?).

Chenquieh,

Mustafa"



Breaking News! As many as 9 killed in Fort Hood shootings, officials say - Page 2 - Islamic Awakening Forums

[daptech]

Several witnesses claimed that he shouted "Allahu akbar" before
shooting. The PC crowd (including Obama) are going to have
to work hard to spin this event.

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by daptech

Several witnesses claimed that he shouted "Allahu akbar" before
shooting. The PC crowd (including Obama) are going to have
to work hard to spin this event.

So let's just say for kicks and grins that it's decided that all Muslims as a religion are wanting America destroyed.

Now what?

Do you ban people who are Muslims and or all Arabs, Indonesians, and converts from what exactly?

And is what you're proposing within the Constitution?

For all the anger that is out there and sheer excitement from people who want to vilify being Muslim, let's see some solutions. This Forum certainly isn't "pro-Obama" so you should have to worry about being PC.

Yes, you probably can guess my view on the topic however I am interested in trying to understand another side.

[37L1]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

Yes, you probably can guess my view on the topic however I am interested in trying to understand another side.

No, I can't. What is it, pray tell??

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by 37L1

No, I can't. What is it, pray tell??

(responds after noting the sarcasm...)

The bottom line is that you end up taking the good with the bad. You can't punish the bad without punishing the good.

To deny people who follow Islam the rights and privileges you would extend to other US citizens is antithetical to what I thought we hold true in the Constitution.

Keeping tabs on people doesn't reduce violence nor does disarming them. Those willing to do harm are always going to find a way to do so. A higher fence simply forestalls an attack by requiring the attacker to now dig under as opposed to going over to attack.

The media plays a part in skewing a picture of the reality in order to incite people to act by tuning in...and unfortunately in angering them up. This has been happening long before TV/radio, and the Internet. The attacker in Florida isn't being labeled by his religion is he?

The problem is that any population/individual who feels threatened and does not have an ability to redress their problems will turn to violence. I'm in no way excusing personal responsibility for one's actions or in anyway condoning violence. I'm stating that it's not hard to stir someone to violence and the Muslim population like any other is not invulnerable.

Want to raise the standards for getting into the military or school, to have employment in the United States in order to start weeding out some population deemed as dangerous or undesirable? Fine. We'll also be weeding into that population those that aren't going to do harm and who can contribute positively.

And we have a double standard.
A Muslim kills someone in the United States-we label a terrorist.
A guy kills his coworkers because he was let go-we say he's having a bad day and its understandable...

[Papa_D]

I like this point of view better...

YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Goes After Ft. Hood Shooter Major Hasan & Media

[SpiritOne]

Originally Posted by Pops

If a CO orders a soldier to illegally kill a hostage and the soldier follows that order, then who gets in trouble when the SR Officers find out that an illegal action was taken??? It all depends on the results of the internal investigation so each situation is unique. So should the soldier follow the CO's order w/o question or bring it up with another CO first??

The answers are endless because of being situationally unique. As long as a soldier is following protocol, he is within his legal rights, regardless if it's questioning particular orders from a CO or not.

Anyway, you'll likely find a way to twist it like a pretzel rather than reason it out so I'll just leave it at that.

So if I read that right, a logical way to sum all that up would be to say, "Every situation is unique, there is no way to say in definitive terms that one side is always right, and the other side is always wrong, there is a large gray area involved. Nothing is black or white."

[SpiritOne]

Regarding the shooter, his motivations, his screams prior to murdering hard working decent American soldiers...

Honestly Im still at a loss how this happens on a US Military base. When I first read the guy was a Major I nearly fell out of my chair. How in the hell do you get to be an O-4 in the Army and be that ****ed in the head?? I mean yeah I served with some real jackass officers sometimes but never once was I worried they would start shooting their fellow Marines!?!?

Muslim or not, this guy had issues. You want to hear something that will probably make Papa_D fall out of his chair. Im glad they killed him and didn't arrest him. Can you imagine the ****storm of that trial? No thank you.

Clearly we need to figure a few things out when it comes to our men and women in uniform. If an officer is speaking out about policy and is openly saying things against the United States Military, you think maybe someone should have looked into that better? It seems like this was preventable. Not by profiling him because he is a Muslim, but by paying attention to the things he was doing and saying.

My heart goes out to the families of the murdered soldiers. They shouldnt have to worry about their safety when on a US Base in Texas. They have enough worry about when these folks are deployed all over the world.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Regarding the shooter, his motivations, his screams prior to murdering hard working decent American soldiers...

Honestly Im still at a loss how this happens on a US Military base. When I first read the guy was a Major I nearly fell out of my chair. How in the hell do you get to be an O-4 in the Army and be that ****ed in the head?? I mean yeah I served with some real jackass officers sometimes but never once was I worried they would start shooting their fellow Marines!?!?

Muslim or not, this guy had issues. You want to hear something that will probably make Papa_D fall out of his chair. Im glad they killed him and didn't arrest him. Can you imagine the ****storm of that trial? No thank you.

Clearly we need to figure a few things out when it comes to our men and women in uniform. If an officer is speaking out about policy and is openly saying things against the United States Military, you think maybe someone should have looked into that better? It seems like this was preventable. Not by profiling him because he is a Muslim, but by paying attention to the things he was doing and saying.

My heart goes out to the families of the murdered soldiers. They shouldnt have to worry about their safety when on a US Base in Texas. They have enough worry about when these folks are deployed all over the world.

He was not killed. If he recovers there will be a trial. BTW Army bases are not that secure, sure you have to go through the gate, but they just wave you by with a show of your id, if you have the right sticker on you windshield.

And as far as his rank, he got most of that rank in medical school.