Puerto Rico could soon get much more of your money too.

[Papa_D]

It has long been discussed and debated but it could happen this time, especially if Gingrich and the other idiot, Globalist Progressives get their way but it's long past time to cut them loose because we can't afford any more poor States that we will have to bail out, after all, we are going to have to bail out Mexico via California as it is and enough is enough already, we are broke.

H.R. 2499: Puerto Rico Democracy Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

Do Not Make Puerto Rico The 51st State

According to Sam Francis (8/12/97), "Writing in The New Yorker of August 4, Joe Klein quotes the Speaker as expatiating on the Tower of Babel in the nation's schools. ‘Do you realize that there are two hundred languages spoken in the Chicago school system?’ Mr. Gingrich asked. ‘That's an asset, not a liability. Let's pair up the kids. You get Sally to speak Cambodian and Sally gets you to speak English. If they succeed we give each of them a thousand dollars. We'd have kids practicing language seven days a week.’

"H.R. 2499 is a democratic travesty. No two-round election anywhere in the world has been run like this. Runoffs are always between the two most favored options. But here, the second, third and fourth choices may defeat the historical top choice in a first round by acting as a coalition and so force a second round among those less-favored options. In the end, statehood will come out a winner even though a majority does not want it."

[BBtruck]

Atleast PRicans are born as US citizens and the island itself is a commonwealth of the US, and believe you me they do not want to become a state. They are not as poor or needy as led to believe.

The US have one of the biggest and most sofisticated strategical naval base there among other things.

I am a Puerto Rican, a proud US citizen and my family have served in the military since WW2 (look up the 57th Infantry). My grandfather was a strong believer that to be a citizen you have to be productive and or serve. My family is not unique to those thoughts. I instilled those beliefs to my children, the love of Boriquen (PR) and the nobility of being part of the greatest nation.

I have a daughter, a Lt. in the Army (medical) on her 3rd tour in Afganistan. I paid with my own money for her college...

And no PapaD, I'm not offended.

L

[SpiritOne]

I guess I don't see what the problem is. Other than, I would have to buy a new flag with an additional star.

What really would change? What do the PR people not do that they will have to start doing? What will they have to stop doing that they are currently doing?

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by BBtruck

Atleast PRicans are born as US citizens and the island itself is a commonwealth of the US, and believe you me they do not want to become a state. They are not as poor or needy as led to believe.

The US have one of the biggest and most sofisticated strategical naval base there among other things.

I am a Puerto Rican, a proud US citizen and my family have served in the military since WW2 (look up the 57th Infantry). My grandfather was a strong believer that to be a citizen you have to be productive and or serve. My family is not unique to those thoughts. I instilled those beliefs to my children, the love of Boriquen (PR) and the nobility of being part of the greatest nation.

I have a daughter, a Lt. in the Army (medical) on her 3rd tour in Afganistan. I paid with my own money for her college...

And no PapaD, I'm not offended.

L

Obviously there is a huge problem with any country that would allow you and I both to be citizens but that aside, I have nothing against, and in fact have a half dozen Puerto Rican friends that I see every other day or so and considering none of them have killed me yet, I would think that Puerto Ricans in general are a tolerant enough people to to self govern under Constitutional law and probably be good candidates for citizenship, lol.

Seriously though, I think Puerto Rico would be just another Californiaish State that our Socialist country can't afford right now because according to the only numbers I could get my mouse on right now, they would consume more services than they would pay for.

Take away the welfare programs, free health care and all the rest and then it wouldn't matter much to me and I would gladly welcome them all provided they were like you and considered themselves to be part of this nation rather than wanting to take it back like many Mexicans do, but with all the "free everything" that the Federal Government wants to impose their will for and and then send my grandkids the bill for, I have a real hard time getting excited about having another four million people who would be eligible to spend money that doesn't exist.

BTW, I hope your daughter makes it home safe, try and get her out of there if you can talk her into leaving.

Puerto Rico Democracy Act ? Legislation Biased in Favor of Statehood | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

The Lexington Institute argues that “Puerto Rico, which received $18 billion in direct federal expenditures in FY 2008, has a population with a median national income of $17,741, nearly a third below that for the United States. While eligibility for many major federal social programs is the same in both jurisdictions, others, like the Food Stamp Program, include different eligibility requirements. This would likely result in increased federal expenditures should statehood be achieved, but a lack of comparable data makes cost projections for such changes difficult.” It is clear that the cost of statehood to the taxpayers will be high.

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

I guess I don't see what the problem is. Other than, I would have to buy a new flag with an additional star.

What really would change? What do the PR people not do that they will have to start doing? What will they have to stop doing that they are currently doing?

It's all just simple economics man, the U.S. is broker than an kid that just turned 18, got drunk and spent all night traveling to every strip club in town.

[SpiritOne]

Originally Posted by Papa_D

It's all just simple economics man, the U.S. is broker than an kid that just turned 18, got drunk and spent all night traveling to every strip club in town.

but they are already part of the United States, and are US citizens. Don't they already have access to the things we have?

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

but they are already part of the United States, and are US citizens. Don't they already have access to the things we have?

Many of them do have access yes, however apparently with actual Statehood, the amount of Federal Income Tax payments would greatly increase in relation to payments received and eligibility requirements for certain welfare benefits would be more relaxed as well which would lead to a far greater payout to Puerto Rico than exists now.

Then of course they would also be eligible for more DC Representation in Congress and we all know what blood sucking, wastes of skin they are and we hardly need more liberal spending on the Hill so at the end of the day, I would just as soon keep the additional billions thanks.

[BBtruck]

Puerto Rico, Samoa and some small inhabited clusters of islands in the middle of the Pacific (can't recall the name). Not sure if there are others, but yes the same crutches are extended to those US citizens. But you know nothing is quite free. The use of prime realstate in those regions by the US along with some explotation is evident.

Becoming a state would require federal taxes to be paid which would put some of those islands way below the poverty level for that particular region, which in turn would create more of a drain to the US economy that Papa D is so worried about.

As a commomwealth those island nations use the same monetary system as the US and English is taught as a second language along with other benefits unknown to me.

L

[BBtruck]

Originally Posted by Papa_D

BTW, I hope your daughter makes it home safe, try and get her out of there if you can talk her into leaving.

Thank you Papa. I worry, and it surprised me she made that choice. I tried talking her out of it, but the fact that I served for 21 years was not helpful.

Like I stated before about my grandparents and their parents, to earn the right to be a citizen we have to be productive (go to college/learn a trade) or join the military or both. Those are my beliefs also. Unfortunally I do have some family members that are not worth the air they breath (in jail or need to be). Some munching off the governmental freebees with no pride. Still love 'em, just not as much.

L

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by BBtruck

Thank you Papa. I worry, and it surprised me she made that choice. I tried talking her out of it, but the fact that I served for 21 years was not helpful.

Like I stated before about my grandparents and their parents, to earn the right to be a citizen we have to be productive (go to college/learn a trade) or join the military or both. Those are my beliefs also. Unfortunally I do have some family members that are not worth the air they breath (in jail or need to be). Some munching off the governmental freebees with no pride. Still love 'em, just not as much.

L

You're welcome, I have a few friends who just keep signing up to go over there, one of them won't likely have any trouble at all but the rest likely will and one already survived an IED that took out everyone in the vehicle but him and although I talked to him a lot about it, he still decided to go back even though he knows he shouldn't and I suppose if there were more job opportunities that would have helped change his mind.

As far as your less than desirable family members, don't be embarrassed, we get to choose our friends but we are stuck with our white trash relatives or in your case maybe brown trash, lol. My sister in law who is a really sweet person and generous to a fault practically disowned all her relatives in the Philippines because she went down there and spent 30 days with them and although she had 3000.00, that didn't even last her a month because all her relatives along with everyone else in her home town was begging her for money the whole time so she hated being there and will probably never go back, it's a shame.

BTW, the Progressives in DC along with their Puerto Rican Progressive brethren have this whole Statehood deal figured out and the real goal is to gain more votes on the Hill to tilt the balance of power to the Progressives with 2 more Senators and 6 Congressmen.

They aren't even going to present the Puerto Rican people with all the choices with regard to voting and will essentially trick them into voting to become a State. Then Puerto Rico will send delegates to DC and demand to be seated just like Tennessee did at which time, anyone not squarely on board with letting them in will be deemed a racist and compared to a Nazi as usual so good luck with not becoming a State because it is already a done deal short of enough people catching on in time and fighting it tooth and nail.

[LVTITAN72]

We should cut them loose. How long have they been getting benefits from the U.S and still no state hood. Lets take care of the 50 we already...

[BBtruck]

Originally Posted by LVTITAN72

We should cut them loose. How long have they been getting benefits from the U.S and still no state hood. Lets take care of the 50 we already...

Funny dude.. But the US gets more benefits from its territories/offshore citizens than what they give. Fixing the borders would be a better option, don't you think soldier?

L

[08pro4x2486]

Papa D- Did someone watch Glenn Beck tonight??

I was going to post all that on here but you beat me to it lol. Well done sir.

[rholland]

Originally Posted by BBtruck

Atleast PRicans are born as US citizens and the island itself is a commonwealth of the US, and believe you me they do not want to become a state. They are not as poor or needy as led to believe.

The US have one of the biggest and most sofisticated strategical naval base there among other things.

I am a Puerto Rican, a proud US citizen and my family have served in the military since WW2 (look up the 57th Infantry). My grandfather was a strong believer that to be a citizen you have to be productive and or serve. My family is not unique to those thoughts. I instilled those beliefs to my children, the love of Boriquen (PR) and the nobility of being part of the greatest nation.

I have a daughter, a Lt. in the Army (medical) on her 3rd tour in Afganistan. I paid with my own money for her college...

And no PapaD, I'm not offended.

L

One of my best friends in the Navy SeaBees was Puerto Rican, but he was all American.

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by LVTITAN72

We should cut them loose. How long have they been getting benefits from the U.S and still no state hood. Lets take care of the 50 we already...

Well yes and no. You and I or the average people certainly don't get much out of the deal that's for sure so in the end, I agree and so do the majority of Puerto Ricans who don't want to become a State but just like the majority here, they don't have much of a say so right now because our countries have been hijacked by radicals who have other elitist plans and Globalist Empire goals.