Gentlemen, Start your engines: 0-60 Times; Titan vs. Hemi vs. F150 - Page 2

TITAN21 · 06-05-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TrojanDan

I said that on another thread. I believe they are marketing (BIGTIME) to 1st time truck buyers. A ferd or chebbie owner that loves his truck won't buy into all the hemi-hype. But a 1st time truck buyer or someone who knows nothing about cars and doesn't do research will bite hook, line and sinker. I think it is also great fuel for die-hard Dodge guys, when they're braggin about their trucks. But facts are facts, and the facts, time and time again, show the Endurance V8 out-doin the hemi. Can't deny that Dodge has a great advertising team.

i said the same thing a few weeks ago, dodge is all hype and i really wish nissan would show everyone just how much dodge is lying.

Steve04SE · 06-11-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DallasTitan

With all these tests proving the Titan is the Undisputed leader, what is Dodge talking about

?(in their commercial about Hemi beating Titan and others in an "Independent" test?!!!)
D-Titan

I was approached recently about that same commercial and informed the guy the ad is deceptive at best and outright BS at it's worst.
I agree, "Independent testing", yea right; that's how inferior radar detector mfr's. defeat the Valentine 1, by using independent testers instead of relying on the magazine article tests.
Shame on Dodge!

BudmanHemi · 06-12-2004, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by calgary_redneck

There is alot of misunderstanding about the hemi: first of all the 426 hemi is in no way related to the new 5.7L hemi they are competely different engines. The rights to the hemi name is owned buy dodge how ever many of modern cars engines could arguably be a hemi type design. As was was stated on one of the other forums and I competely agree with Dodges advertising campain has definetly been gears towards the less informed indiviguals.

True in some aspects. The new Hemi is not a total different engine. It is a true hemi. Let me explain so you know i am not just shooting off a bunch of BS. In 1951 Chrysler introduced the hemispherical combustion chamber. At this time it was unheard of and everyone else was still using flathead design. This went on for many years. Ford gave a shot at the hemi design with the 429 nascar motor, but failed miserably. Dodge had the most success with the hemi design, and its still being used in drag racing today. Don Pourdoun's world record chevy run was done with a hemi engine, and record still holds today. Now for the Kicker. If the hemi is so great why is not everyone using it? Well, its cause there is something better now. Its called the Pentroof Hemi design. With the Hemi there can be no more then 2 valves per cylinder because of angle. With the pentroof design there can be 4 valves per cylinder. 4valves allow engines to breath easier. Another reason most high-performance engines no longer use a HEMI design is the desire to create a smaller combustion chamber. Small chambers further reduce the heat lost during combustion, and also shorten the distance the flame front must travel during combustion. The pentroof design is compact, and helpfull in these area's. In Drag Racing why is it better? Well its still mandated they use 2 valve engines. Its still the best in that area. The 5.7 heads are alittle different to make up for the lost valves, and also so it would make emissions. dual spark plugs is a must to improve fire and to assure total combustion. We also have a massive air intake and airflow to improve breathing because of the loss we have with the true hemi combustion chamber. I just wanted you guys to know it is a true hemi. Now for making it, and advertising. If not for the Germans we would have never ever seen the hemi again. it was 2yrs after daimler bought 51% of stock that the hemi was being redesigned. There not stupid. They can build a pushrod 2valve engine way cheaper then a DOHC monster. As far as advertising. If i was the CEO heck yeah i would advertise hemi. Especially to the american public who grew up with it. Are they lieing? Who knows? Is Car and Driver lieing? Is the ford beating the hemi towing lieing? There's no truth so dont blame Dodge for advertising. Blame Nissan for not taking advantage of advertising. There's two ways too look at the hemi.
1.> Its a peice of ****.
2.> Its a 20yr old Pushrod Hemi engine that was modernized, and runs with the best of them today.
I am #2! Fact is the hemi design was way ahead of its time. Thats what made it famous. It could have been any company to figure it out, but dodge did. There copying that design today for all engines. I uploaded some pics for anyone that wants to see them. I am not trying to force hemi down anyones throat. Just trying to explain to those that would like to learn it.

**chieflikalotapus** · 06-12-2004, 09:54 PM

hemi or not all it takes is a pedal to the medal of my 5.6 edurance v-8 to out run a HAMI qc or reg cab iv'e eaten both

BudmanHemi · 06-12-2004, 10:03 PM

Post was not meant to be a challenge, but informative. Have not seen many titans in my area yet. I see them at the track sometimes, but there all watching. When i get one on the dragstrip i will be sure too show you the video of how bad i beat him. I figure 4 tenths easy.

bluntmaster · 02-14-2006, 12:17 AM

Though I frankly don't mind who wins or loses, many things come into consideration such as "mods" / performance fuels / exhaust and timing belts... but I have either been in or bought one time or another. Both are great. Each has their own identity on the market, but lb for lb if you want low rpm raw torque, I'd settle for a Dodge. If you want speed and versitility then go for the Nissan. I just want to point out one thing:

Nissan is a Japanese affiliated company. Though parts and bits are being assembled here in U.S., the main profit of cash is being sent back over the ocean to mr. fujimoto who could very well give a shyt's azz about the U.S. Call me a liberalist or whatever, but I stick with products that I know exactly where it comes from and what the actual pride lyes in. (Yes I am a veteran of 9 years - injured during the gulf.)

Far as your performance ordeal look all you want, here's some good results. Nissan getting beat by a dodge. Nit pick all you want about this and that. Yes you may have beaten many dodges vise/versa with your modded vehicles, but this is showing proof or record that it actually happened!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge--Ram-...ag-Racing.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--Titan-Drag-Racing.html

Wildmike · 02-14-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BudmanHemi

First off magazines are a joke. I believe the 7.1, 0 to 60 for the QC. That dont explain my 4x4 5100lb hemi running 15.1 in the quarter when all mag results are wrong. Titans have also proved it wrong running 15.2's at the track. I have said it on DTW, and i will say it here. Mag's are crap. Track shows it. On street from mash, and go Titan gets the hemi. If you let a hemi rev up, and he dont spin he's gonna get a titan. At the track it shows that, and it dont take a genius too figure it out. Pourdoune didnt set the drag record in his chevy with a hemi in it for nothing. The engine was created for nascar because of its high reving charactistics. When others were running around the track at 9k rpms and maxed. The hemi was running around at 7k. Its why the hemi is notorious in drag racing. Stall it too 3k with some slicks, and the R's are there. Honestly does it really matter if you lose or win by a half of truck length? All as i know is i overloaded my hemi many times, and she just hauls fine regardless of where the power range is. Thats what matters in trucks.

A 4x4 Hemi at 5100 lbs? Is that a RC? A Dodge owner told TT that his QC 2x4 weighs 5300lbs. I would expect a 4x4 to weigh around 500 lbs more.

At 90 MPH half a truck lenth is less than .1 seconds, more like .05. If you are half a second faster than someone it looks like you blow them away.

Lots of motors are "Hemi's" Dodge has the name Patented.

The Titan runs like a truck should, which is why it is quick 0-60. Even towing 4000lbs it is the fastest 0-60. I think there is a link on this site showing just that.

Blackin · 02-14-2006, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildmike

A 4x4 Hemi at 5100 lbs? Is that a RC? A Dodge owner told TT that his QC 2x4 weighs 5300lbs. I would expect a 4x4 to weigh around 500 lbs more.

That would be me. Yes, I pulled mine onto a Texas Highway weigh station a few months back. These QC's are heavy for sure. I too would imagine a 4x4 to weigh in a bit fatter... at LEAST 250-300 pounds minimum. Likely closer to Wildmike's estimate.

Heavysled · 02-14-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bluntmaster

Though I frankly don't mind who wins or loses, many things come into consideration such as "mods" / performance fuels / exhaust and timing belts... but I have either been in or bought one time or another. Both are great. Each has their own identity on the market, but lb for lb if you want low rpm raw torque, I'd settle for a Dodge. If you want speed and versitility then go for the Nissan. I just want to point out one thing:

Nissan is a Japanese affiliated company. Though parts and bits are being assembled here in U.S., the main profit of cash is being sent back over the ocean to mr. fujimoto who could very well give a shyt's azz about the U.S. Call me a liberalist or whatever, but I stick with products that I know exactly where it comes from and what the actual pride lyes in. (Yes I am a veteran of 9 years - injured during the gulf.)

Far as your performance ordeal look all you want, here's some good results. Nissan getting beat by a dodge. Nit pick all you want about this and that. Yes you may have beaten many dodges vise/versa with your modded vehicles, but this is showing proof or record that it actually happened!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge--Ram-...ag-Racing.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--Titan-Drag-Racing.html

Sorry but the dodge times posted are from modified turbo diesels..

**gr8titan** · 02-14-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bluntmaster

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge--Ram-...ag-Racing.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--Titan-Drag-Racing.html

Sorry but if you compare both lists, top 8 Dodges are all modified 24V Cummins Turbo Diesel and the #9 running 14.8 has a chip/programmer + intake/exhaust.

Now the Titans on the other hand (all top 10 are TT members), are all 5.7 gas engines with only intake and exhaust mods. "Drivingthemedian" also known as TexTitan here at TT only has a double muffler turned down and ran a 14.9 ET. #1 ran with a 50 shot NOX.

This is comparing apples and oranges!!

buzzkillwill · 02-15-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bluntmaster

Though I frankly don't mind who wins or loses, many things come into consideration such as "mods" / performance fuels / exhaust and timing belts... but I have either been in or bought one time or another. Both are great. Each has their own identity on the market, but lb for lb if you want low rpm raw torque, I'd settle for a Dodge. If you want speed and versitility then go for the Nissan. I just want to point out one thing:

Nissan is a Japanese affiliated company. Though parts and bits are being assembled here in U.S., the main profit of cash is being sent back over the ocean to mr. fujimoto who could very well give a shyt's azz about the U.S. Call me a liberalist or whatever, but I stick with products that I know exactly where it comes from and what the actual pride lyes in. (Yes I am a veteran of 9 years - injured during the gulf.)

Far as your performance ordeal look all you want, here's some good results. Nissan getting beat by a dodge. Nit pick all you want about this and that. Yes you may have beaten many dodges vise/versa with your modded vehicles, but this is showing proof or record that it actually happened!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge--Ram-...ag-Racing.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--Titan-Drag-Racing.html

What's your point buttmaster. You dug up an old thread to say Nissan's profit's go overseas. Okay, but the truck is made here in Amercia, by American's. Toyota, Nissan and Honda employ tens of thousand, probably hundred of thousands American's right here in the states to build their quality vehicles. Go drive your Dodge, if that's what you have, just know that it was built in Mexico.

**redneckpapa1996** · 02-17-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzkillwill

What's your point buttmaster. You dug up an old thread to say Nissan's profit's go overseas. Okay, but the truck is made here in Amercia, by American's. Toyota, Nissan and Honda employ tens of thousand, probably hundred of thousands American's right here in the states to build their quality vehicles. Go drive your Dodge, if that's what you have, just know that it was built in Mexico.

I could not have said it any better to buttman, those Mopars are `c*cka` ,,(my spanish grammar is rusty) that is the same as shi*.. The $$$ going overseas to what ever country is another million page site, just the way it has been for many, many years.. Millions of jobs have been created from overseas car makers, and lost, due to greed of THE JONES`S HERE IN AMERICA, not beeing able to survive on $30 - $50 an hour

hello!! OH, by the way, my 4x4 Endurance has smoked every 4x4 hemi that was brave enough to try me

GETSOMZ28 · 02-17-2006, 08:07 PM

Here we go again...

OddBall · 02-18-2006, 08:11 PM

In all fairness to Mr. Bluntmaster, Dodge is a wholly owned subsidary of...umm...Daimler Chrysler, aka a GERMAN company. Now, I have a shiny diploma from a nationally accredited college on the wall that tells me I was supposed to have learned something but I don't think Germany is a territory of the USA. I could be wrong though!

I've driven all three and in fact I like the dodge but the first and most lasting dislike is the seating position and the pedal relationship. To me it's awful and since my $$ is talking I say where they go

Don't even get me started on the Ford. I was disappointed when they said it had 300 horsies. It feels like 250 and i've owned plenty of Ferds

I do like the seating position of the Ford though.

I did have some fun with a newer F150 the other day on the way to the dump. He got the jump on me, since I wasn't "looking" to play, and I put my foot all the way in it, the Wrangler MTR's protested loudly too.

I didn't pass him like he was standing still but I know he was "on it" so to speak. I was gaining on him through 50-60 then when my 04, a pig of a fully loaded CC LE, hit 3rd or 4th it seemed to move past him a bit faster. By 85+ I was 5 to maybe 8 car lengths or is that truck lengths ahead.

Turns out he was headed to the dump too! He wouldn't look at me even a little bit. Maybe it was because I was ahead of him...but I digress.

Carry on with the new peeing contest!

*SilverQShip* · 02-24-2006, 12:15 AM

If we're talking war storie i ate a hemi reg. cab in the rain, i handed his *** to him. I managed to stop at a light and accelerate (not fast) to 20mph before he could do the loser fly by on me. I see the RR sport as more of a challenge the the Hemi.<- reminds me of all the rednecks screaming HEMI.