Steroids....and the US Congress???

[firefightintitan]

I was just watching the news and they were talking about Rodger Clemens trial being postponed again. WTF, why is he even on trial? I understand he supposedly lied to Congress about steroid use, but that just leads to my next question, WTF is our congress spending time and money to investigate players in a f**king child's game. What the hell is wrong with this country. And last year they were talking about investigating college football because people are angry about the computer generated ranking system and them feeling their teams should get a shot at being the real #1. It's a child's game!! Nothing else. Hey I'm big football fan, and big basketball fan, but if there is going to be an investigation into the wrongdoings of the athletes that participate in these children's game it should be done only by the commissioning body of said sport, not Congress. How do they justify themselves when they do this s**t, and who the hell buys their excuse for it? Clemens is facing 30 years for doing some juice while he played a game. 30 f**king years? Are you god damn kidding me? WTF America what is wrong with you???

[tighten06]

i couldnt agree more, and not to defend clemens in any way but he should have just told the truth and moved on with his life, like hes the only player using steroids? cmon. If they actively and truly randomly tested pro atheletes for steroids there would be no pro sports, i just laugh when i hear the announcers talk about a player and say-uhm yeah, he worked out with a trainer and drank alot of milk in the off season and now hes 300 lbs and can bench 485-gimme a break. they are all liars cuz they will deny they do it and thats a shame-why not just make using steroids legal and see who can get the best stuff and get the biggest and strongest. Pro sports would be very boring to watch without steroids so people should think twice about badmouthing their use, it would be like watching your sons junior high games.

[SpiritOne]

Players in the NFL are tested rigorously. They do not get to use Steroids. Those are guys are big because they train their asses off. You see star players get suspended for performance enhancers, get caught more than 3 times, your out of the sport. They are tested more than 4 times a year. Other sports should mirror the NFL's policy.

That said, having the US Congress investigate steroid use in baseball is as big a waste of time of inviting Steven Colbert to testify about his 1 day experience as a migrant farm worker. It's ridiculous, sad, and depresses the **** out of me that this is what they spend their time doing. They acknowledge pointless minuscule BS, they argue over semantics, they grandstand, they talk out of their ***, but when something truly needs to be done, like provide health care to the brave men and women who were first responders at the World trade Center attacks who are now suffering medical problems as a result of being a first responder at the worst terror attack on American soil, they can't get it done.

The whole ****ing lot of them should be kicked out. Every last one. Elect real Americans who care about this country. Stop voting party lines, pay the hell attention to what these idiots are doing.

[tighten06]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Players in the NFL are tested rigorously. They do not get to use Steroids. Those are guys are big because they train their asses off. You see star players get suspended for performance enhancers, get caught more than 3 times, your out of the sport. They are tested more than 4 times a year. Other sports should mirror the NFL's policy.

That said, having the US Congress investigate steroid use in baseball is as big a waste of time of inviting Steven Colbert to testify about his 1 day experience as a migrant farm worker. It's ridiculous, sad, and depresses the **** out of me that this is what they spend their time doing. They acknowledge pointless minuscule BS, they argue over semantics, they grandstand, they talk out of their ***, but when something truly needs to be done, like provide health care to the brave men and women who were first responders at the World trade Center attacks who are now suffering medical problems as a result of being a first responder at the worst terror attack on American soil, they can't get it done.

The whole ****ing lot of them should be kicked out. Every last one. Elect real Americans who care about this country. Stop voting party lines, pay the hell attention to what these idiots are doing.

the players know when they are getting tested and know how to mask the steroids or simply use a sample that is not their own- nfl players are as "natural" as bodybuilders, just because they get tested doesnt mean its legit-

[O-FiveCC]

They just get the new juice that doesn't show up on the tests

[firefightintitan]

I have to say, as far as the NFL is concerned, I have a very close friend who is a top player in the NFL, whom I trust to tell me the truth about what's going on, and according to him, in football anyways, most of the steroid use happens in college, he said it's one of the major reason so many will red shirt their first year. He has said on multiple occasions, that it isn't as prominent as he thought it would be going in, and that as far as he's seen it doesn't happen on his team. I'm also friends with a former Patriot who was on the team during the superbowl years as on offensive lineman and he said the top guys don't do it, it's the up and coming guys trying to make a name for themselves. But they both admit that they see a lot of people trying new stuff before the NFL had/has time to decide about it's legality. FWIW I believe both of them whole heartedly.

[zooksta56]

Originally Posted by firefightintitan

I was just watching the news and they were talking about Randy Clemens trial being postponed again.

That would be Roger Clemens, but I couldn't agree with you more.

[firefightintitan]

Originally Posted by zooksta56

That would be Roger Clemens, but I couldn't agree with you more.

My bad, I work with a guy named Randy Clemens, damn confusicus.

[bestatchess]

I would prefer to let them all use whatever they want. After a few decades, maybe they would find something safe and effective for the rest of us.

[tighten06]

Originally Posted by firefightintitan

I have to say, as far as the NFL is concerned, I have a very close friend who is a top player in the NFL, whom I trust to tell me the truth about what's going on, and according to him, in football anyways, most of the steroid use happens in college, he said it's one of the major reason so many will red shirt their first year. He has said on multiple occasions, that it isn't as prominent as he thought it would be going in, and that as far as he's seen it doesn't happen on his team. I'm also friends with a former Patriot who was on the team during the superbowl years as on offensive lineman and he said the top guys don't do it, it's the up and coming guys trying to make a name for themselves. But they both admit that they see a lot of people trying new stuff before the NFL had/has time to decide about it's legality. FWIW I believe both of them whole heartedly.

i would agree with you there but some of th eolder guys need it to keep up and to recover as well, take john kitna for example. 38 years old and i guarantee the day after romo goes down hes at the doctor getting a little bottle of somethin..and there is just no way those guys can be that big and strong without it.

[Panman06]

I share the majority sentiment. Our F'ing congress pulls $h!t like this when our country sinks deeper and deeper. Clemens can answer to MLB and LEOs. Flipping "representatives" can't seem to get their priorities straight...finding BS like this to make it look like they are doing their job.

They treat themselves like royalty.
They vote pay raises for themselves.
They make sure they have the best benefits.
They serve on term and are set for life.

Nice.

[Rhino404]

Drug use in professional, college, high school sports is more rampant than you will ever be told by the media. It goes much deeper than steroids though. The higher the stakes the more complex the drugs and cycles. You are sadly mistaken if you think the human body developes like that of a professional athlete through training alone. Dont get me wrong...the training makes the drugs effective...the drugs alone would only make you gain weight in most instances.
I have a buddy that won a SB with the 49ers (yes it's been awhile) and boy can he tell you some stories. In his day amphetamines were the game day drug of choice and roid use was marginal. Steroids were becoming the norm when he was on his way out. Look at the physiques of pro athletes from 80's and back.......compare that to todays athletes.........synthetic assistance is the culprit.

btw - I agree with the OP on Congress wasting their time and our money. Let them all legally use PE drugs to level the playing field. They dont need to be role models, thats what fathers are for.

[TexUs]

Originally Posted by tighten06

the players know when they are getting tested and know how to mask the steroids or simply use a sample that is not their own- nfl players are as "natural" as bodybuilders, just because they get tested doesnt mean its legit-

Originally Posted by Rhino404

Drug use in professional, college, high school sports is more rampant than you will ever be told by the media.

Not true.

I know a few NFL players myself and am "involved" in the OU football program, let's leave at that...

What you need to realize is that athletes can indeed get jacked to the levels you see in the NFL on natural stuff. Working out and practicing for the games is THEIR JOB, they spent the majority of the day doing it. Couple that with high protein diets with the crap cut out of it that even most trainers at the YMCA eat... It's not hard.

That said, college 'roid abuse is worse than the NFL. But it depends on the program. At OU, if you do it and get taught (everyone is tested rigorously), you'll get booted. That's why nobody even tries it, there's a zero tolerance level. OU, like them or hate them, but they aren't into the whole money laundering nonsense other universities are. They kicked out the #1 QB in the nation for taking money he didn't earn- no questions asked. Same with 'roids. It depends on the program. A zero tolerance program, you won't have issues.

NFL as Spirit said also tests well, it's less of an issue than college because the NFL is highly involved in the sport than compared to the NCAA... Not surprising considering there's 32 teams and not hundreds.

[Rhino404]

Originally Posted by TexUs

Not true.

I know a few NFL players myself and am "involved" in the OU football program, let's leave at that...

What you need to realize is that athletes can indeed get jacked to the levels you see in the NFL on natural stuff. Working out and practicing for the games is THEIR JOB, they spent the majority of the day doing it. Couple that with high protein diets with the crap cut out of it that even most trainers at the YMCA eat... It's not hard.

That said, college 'roid abuse is worse than the NFL. But it depends on the program. At OU, if you do it and get taught (everyone is tested rigorously), you'll get booted. That's why nobody even tries it, there's a zero tolerance level. OU, like them or hate them, but they aren't into the whole money laundering nonsense other universities are. They kicked out the #1 QB in the nation for taking money he didn't earn- no questions asked. Same with 'roids. It depends on the program. A zero tolerance program, you won't have issues.

NFL as Spirit said also tests well, it's less of an issue than college because the NFL is highly involved in the sport than compared to the NCAA... Not surprising considering there's 32 teams and not hundreds.

Incorrect...it is very hard to get "jacked" as you say on natural stuff. I've been doing it for years. I'm not a hard-gainer either...

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Players in the NFL are tested rigorously. They do not get to use Steroids. Those are guys are big because they train their asses off. You see star players get suspended for performance enhancers, get caught more than 3 times, your out of the sport. They are tested more than 4 times a year. Other sports should mirror the NFL's policy.

While I'm sure they "train their asses off," that does not mean they are "dope free" because HGH cannot be effectively tested for right now so you are kidding yourself if you believe that they don't do things that can't be tested for in order to gain the multi-million dollar salaries the top athletes earn.

Yes, there is a blood test for HGH. But because antibodies necessary for the process are in such short supply, virtually no HGH testing is conducted. In addition, the test only detects HGH right after injection so it's impractical for in-competition testing. As a result, there never has been an HGH positive test that is accurate.

HGH Tests : Sports using test for steroids including Hgh

It won't even matter in a year or two anyway because "gene doping" will be all the rage so the whole testing for this or that steroid or HGH nonsense is pointless and in the end, it's all about winning at any price.

YouTube - Gene Doping: Super Athletes in 2008 Beijing Olympics