Obama's birth certificate has arrived - Page 2

**dv3andrs** · 04-27-2011, 05:22 PM

I was wondering that myself MarkD, I see Dad in Kenya, and Mom in Kansas. I don't know, I think if not this coming election, then maybe the next one...The election will be ran more like the show American Idol or something along that lines. It's getting harder and harder to take any of the election stuff seriously anymore.

Papa_D · 04-27-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jpsst38

Where is the mother's address? I am waiting to see what Spirit has to say on this thread.

I'm not sure where his mother's den was, probably somewhere on the African plains but Obama is very cute for a jackal wouldn't you say, lol?

SpiritOne · 04-27-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkD

This document still doesn't speak to the U.S. Citizenship of Both parents. (A requirement in The Constitution).

Really? Where?

**dv3andrs** · 04-27-2011, 06:41 PM

The constitution doesn't specifically state that both parents have to be a U.S. Citizen...Well directly at least.

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Now...the natural born citizen... Constitutional Topic: Citizenship - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

If I'm missing something, please fill in, been up since 430 and I'm pretty darn tired. Thanks!
-Dave

DRTYAZN · 04-27-2011, 07:27 PM

Natural Born Citizen means, 1) Born to Both parents who are US Citizens, and born anywhere in the world... Or 2) Born in the USA, not counting any Territories... THOSE ARE THE ONLY WAY TO BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN... I know because I had to just about memorize that stuff to get my own Naturalized US Citizenship... My kids are Natural Born Citizens, born on US soil... Even if the wife (also Naturalized US Citizen) were on a cruise in the Bahamas, and my son happens to be born outside international waters, he is stop a Natural Born Citizen... Had only I been a US Citizen during the same scenario, my son would not be Natural Born due to the lack of dual US Citizenship... The highest political position any Non-Natural Born Citizen can hold is Senator, Congressperson, Governor, But NEVER PRESIDENT! The forefathers made this restriction to prevent "foreign influence" just like OBAMA! Blame the Party who allowed him to be nominated, and allowed to be a candidate for Prsident without prior Legal Verifications of his qualifications... It's sad to say, but the American majority would rather see a Black Man run this nation instead of a White woman... because you have to ask, why did Hillary only get nominated and not endorsed??? As bad as it could've been, She would've been a better candidate, since she ran the government during Bill's Administration anyways... Now not only blame the political party, but blame those who voted for him and haven't gotten the pocket change he promised... which brings me to the coolest bumper sticker I had ever seen on the road in Colorado... "I want to keep my Guns! You can keep your Change!"

MarkD · 04-27-2011, 08:12 PM

You beat me to it DRTAZN! Throughout The Constitution, its authors use the reference "US Citizen" or "Citizen of the United States". Only for the President is the term Natural Born Citizen used.

Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Point of fact, no one is still alive that qualifies for this exemption.

NorCal 4x4 · 04-27-2011, 08:24 PM

According to this website, Hawaii isn't actually a state .... so this would mean "Born in the USA, not counting any Territories" would apply.

Is Hawaii Really a State of the Union?

Even if it is a state, he looks like he was born earlier than '61 ... probably '58, (pre-statehood).

DRTYAZN · 04-27-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkD

You beat me to it DRTAZN! Throughout The Constitution, its authors use the reference "US Citizen" or "Citizen of the United States". Only for the President is the term Natural Born Citizen used.

Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Point of fact, no one is still alive that qualifies for this exemption.

Funny thing is, as much as I hate politics, US Government was one of my favorite HS Classes, and I am actually leaning towards being more actively politically involved in my local politics, as well as possibly running for a position in the local government...

in order to change the course of the ship, one must sit in the Captain's chair and turn the deamn steering wheel... so, if you ever see "DrtyAzn" in the middle of a ballot, VOTE FOR ME!!!

DRTYAZN · 04-27-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCal 4x4

According to this website, Hawaii isn't actually a state .... so this would mean "Born in the USA, not counting any Territories" would apply.

Is Hawaii Really a State of the Union?

Even if it is a state, he looks like he was born earlier than '61 ... probably '58, (pre-statehood).

Good question... Because being a Puerto Rican, you can join the US Armed Forces but have to apply for US Citizenship just like a Haitian immigrant does...

SpiritOne · 04-27-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkD

You beat me to it DRTAZN! Throughout The Constitution, its authors use the reference "US Citizen" or "Citizen of the United States". Only for the President is the term Natural Born Citizen used.

Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Point of fact, no one is still alive that qualifies for this exemption.

But citizenship does not require both parents to be citizens. Which is why I asked where.

**HRTKD** · 04-27-2011, 08:46 PM

So his mother was 18 at the time and the father was 25. A) That's kind of like robbing the cradle and, B) it's possible she was 17 at the time of conception but according to current HI law that I could find on the Internet she would have had to have been 16 (since he was more than 5 years older than she was) to make it statutory rape?

DRTYAZN · 04-27-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiritOne

But citizenship does not require both parents to be citizens. Which is why I asked where.

Where is Exactly what needs to be clarified... So if the Birth Certificate is authentic, and he was indeed born in Hawaii (or hatched, or scooped up out of a pond) prior to HI being given Statehood, he would still not be a Natural Born Citizen... As well as once his father denounced US Citizenship, that also eliminated his "natural born" status... Any way you look at it, Obama does not qualify to be eligible to be a candidate for Presidency...

TexUs · 04-27-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiritOne

But citizenship does not require both parents to be citizens. Which is why I asked where.

Yeah.

Really if he was born there this is NBD.

My only wish he was born in Kenya is it'd invalidate things like Obama Care.

Other than that- who cares?

What is of concern to me is his continued forgery of documents. He's lied about his University time, he's forged his Selective Service card, and he's also forged this certificate.
Now... Hawaii sent Obama certified paper copy of his certificate. How in the hell do you scan that in, and produce layers of images? It doesn't happen.
Someone had to have manipulated it. I don't buy the "OCR" BS because simply, there's no OCR in the document.
The numbers and letters in the certificate might be right and true. But the certificate the WH produced, is not original at all.

TexUs · 04-27-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DRTYAZN

Where is Exactly what needs to be clarified... So if the Birth Certificate is authentic, and he was indeed born in Hawaii (or hatched, or scooped up out of a pond) prior to HI being given Statehood, he would still not be a Natural Born Citizen... As well as once his father denounced US Citizenship, that also eliminated his "natural born" status... Any way you look at it, Obama does not qualify to be eligible to be a candidate for Presidency...

HI statehood... 59
Obama birth... 61

Non issue.

Your parents can both be illegal Mexican aliens and if you're born here, you're a US Citizen if you want to.

SpiritOne · 04-28-2011, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DRTYAZN

As well as once his father denounced US Citizenship, that also eliminated his "natural born" status...

IIRC (and keep in mind its 4am while posting this) his father never held US citizenship, he was here on a student visa only. So you can't denounce that which you do not have.