Lawmakers pushing 'mileage tax' for 2013

[That1Person]

I would bet people will start rigging their mileage, and figuring ways to disable stock gps units. I know I would try.

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[srvfan]

Federal gas tax is 18.5.... I don't know what all the states charge

[VQP0WER]

Originally Posted by srvfan

Federal gas tax is 18.5.... I don't know what all the states charge

The federal and states get more money per gallon in gas tax than the oil companies and gas stations get. Raising taxes on gas is the dumbest thing I ever heard. The higher the cost of duel the less driving. Less driving means less gas tax. They should actually lower taxes. This would allow people to drive more, thus filling up their tanks more.

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[That1Person]

Originally Posted by VQP0WER

The federal and states get more money per gallon in gas tax than the oil companies and gas stations get. Raising taxes on gas is the dumbest thing I ever heard. The higher the cost of duel the less driving. Less driving means less gas tax. They should actually lower taxes. This would allow people to drive more, thus filling up their tanks more.

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Isn't that how it was like ten years ago? You could go on a no-brainer trip, over a state or two, even if you were in a gas hog.
Oil companies make money when people drive more, yeah? I used to drive to a city a half hour away, every day after work. The reason? For fun. No way i can do that now. I might do that once a month now and that's to go shopping.
Cheaper fuel=more cars that get to drive.

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[srvfan]

They have 3 choices
1 allow the infastructure to continue to crumble we are not spending enough to maintaine it let alone expand it.

2. raise the gas tax to avert# 1

3. TAx you with some type of GPS device to avert #1

those are the choices pick 1

if the tax is lower people drive more and therefore they get more money???? Wrong that just means more traffic more plowing more salt and sand and an infastructure that crumbles even quicker. more vehicles being driven more miles increases the problem not solves it.

That doesn't mean that money ant be saved. for instance in Many European countries the standards for high way repaying are much higher. while the initial cost is greater you get a safer longer lasting road saving money in the long run. We can always look for ways to stretch that dollar, but more dollars are needed no matter how you slice it.

[skankerson]

Problem: bad roads, not enough money to fix them.

Solution: stop fixing roads. Let them deteriorate and go to hell and goodkill drives us everywhere lol :thumbup:

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[rholland]

Originally Posted by srvfan

They have 3 choices
1 allow the infastructure to continue to crumble we are not spending enough to maintaine it let alone expand it.

2. raise the gas tax to avert# 1

3. TAx you with some type of GPS device to avert #1

those are the choices pick 1

if the tax is lower people drive more and therefore they get more money???? Wrong that just means more traffic more plowing more salt and sand and an infastructure that crumbles even quicker. more vehicles being driven more miles increases the problem not solves it.

That doesn't mean that money ant be saved. for instance in Many European countries the standards for high way repaying are much higher. while the initial cost is greater you get a safer longer lasting road saving money in the long run. We can always look for ways to stretch that dollar, but more dollars are needed no matter how you slice it.

Originally Posted by skankerson

Problem: bad roads, not enough money to fix them.

Solution: stop fixing roads. Let them deteriorate and go to hell and goodkill drives us everywhere lol :thumbup:

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The solution is to use the state and federal gas tax for what it was intended for, roads and bridges.

What is the United States national gas tax rate?
The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon (cpg) and 24.4 cents per gallon (cpg) for diesel fuel. On average, as of April 2012, state and local taxes add 31.1 cents to gasoline and 30.2 cents to diesel for a total US average fuel tax of 49.5 cents (cpg) per gallon for gas and 54.6 cents per gallon (cpg) for diesel.

What are the specific taxes for each state?
Some states charge an excise tax while other states have a flat tax. The below table displays state taxes plus fees, plus the 18.4 cents-per-gallon (cpg) federal excise tax. Additionally, some local counties may additionally charge an excise tax on gas, which is not reflected in this table. Please consult your specific local government for more information.

If gasoline taxes are to meet the criteria of the benefit principle, gasoline tax revenue must be spent exclusively on building and maintaining roads. With the exception of funds directed towards the Leaking Underground Storage Tank Fund, gasoline tax revenues are directed almost exclusively into the Highway Trust Fund. However, this does not ensure these funds are used properly for roads.
For instance, over 15 percent of gasoline tax revenue in the Highway Trust Fund is specifically diverted away from road maintenance and directed towards mass transit purposes. Some argue that mass transit should be subsidized because a successful mass transit system removes traffic from roadways. While that might be true at the margin, research indicates government subsidization of mass transit programs is a highly inefficient use of taxpayer dollars.3 While government investment in mass transit may be a questionable use of Highway Trust Fund finances, it is more worthy of trust fund spending than numerous programs that aren’t even related to transportation.
The astronomical growth in the practice of using highway funds to pay for politically motivated projects is one of the most disconcerting examples of improper use of highway funds. Some experts estimate that total diversions of gasoline tax dollars away from legitimate general road use equal nearly 40 percent of the Highway Trust Fund’s annual budget.4
The Federal Aid Highway Act of 1968 included the first recorded specifically earmarked highway project, funded through the highway trust fund.5 The popularity of earmarking projects grew so much that President Ronald Reagan vetoed the 1987 transportation bill because of the largesse of its 152 demonstration projects.6
The most recent highway bill, SAFETEA-LU, was passed by large majorities in Congress and signed by President Bush on August 10, 2005. SAFETEA-LU authorized $286.5 billion for transportation programs from fiscal years 2004-2009. The Bush administration insisted that the highway bill should be entirely funded with resources from the Highway Trust Fund. The 2005 transportation bill shattered all earmark records by containing 6,373 separate earmarks worth $24.2 billion.7
What sort of spending programs are contained in those earmarks? In the 2005 highway bill, one earmark worth $6 million dollars went toward graffiti elimination in New York, another sent $2.95 million to Alaska for a film about state roads, and nearly $4 million was earmarked for the National Packard Museum in Warren, Ohio, and the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan.8
As early as 1955, Senator Prescott Bush foresaw the current problems with the process of allocating transportation dollars: “Highway legislation scatters billions of politically-guided Federal dollars over the country as though they were shot from a blunderbuss. These widely scattered dollars will not build those roads having the greatest public interest.” 9 The more the linkage between road spending and gasoline taxes deteriorates, the less likely it is that the public will continue to support current levels of gasoline taxes.
Is It Time to Increase the Gasoline Tax?
Considering the increase in world oil prices throughout most of 2005 and 2006, and considering that the irresponsible use of current gasoline tax revenue is reaching an alarming level, many motorists are uneasy about proposals to increase gasoline taxes. However, that fact has not stopped a handful of distinguished economists and others from calling for large gas tax increases in recent months.

[daptech]

Originally Posted by srvfan

They have 3 choices..........................
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nope......there is a fourth choice.....stop wasting the money

from a 2007 interview with Transportation Secretary Mary Peters
note: the amount of waste today is even more than 2007

In 2007 only 60% of the tax revenue went to highway infrastructure, 40% to earmarks = waste


GWEN IFILL: Where is the money going instead?
MARY PETERS: Well, it's going into earmarks; it's going into special programs.
GWEN IFILL: Explain what you mean when you say earmarks.
MARY PETERS: Well, an earmark is a project that's designated by a member of Congress specifically to a project generally in his or her district or state. And the level of earmarking has increased substantially over the last couple of decades in terms of the highway bill. The last highway bill that was passed, in the summer of 2005, contained over 6,000 of those marks, those specially designated projects. And the cost of those projects just in that bill alone was $24 billion, almost a tenth of the bill.
GWEN IFILL: Aren't many of those projects, even though they're special interest projects, aren't they roads and bridges, often?
MARY PETERS: Gwen, some of them are, but many of them are not. There are museums that are being built with that money, bike paths, trails, repairing lighthouses etc. Those are some of the kind of things that that money is being spent on, as opposed to our infrastructure.

[bender2]

Originally Posted by rholland

How would that affect your driving?
I drive 30 miles each way, five days a week, and we are already paying a huge tax on fuel that is suppose to pay for our roads.

Hate to say it, but this is the future of whats to come. I also see more state/federal roads being tolled. Our states and federal goverment kept ignoring the crumbling infrastructure problem and squandered the earmarked money for things like State police salaries and retirements etc ( I'm not anti-police). Its time to pay the piper. Anyone thinking they will fudge their mileage is mistaken too. I should have kept my Schwinn from my youth I guess.

[37L1]

Originally Posted by srvfan

They have 3 choices
1 allow the infastructure to continue to crumble we are not spending enough to maintaine it let alone expand it.

2. raise the gas tax to avert# 1

3. TAx you with some type of GPS device to avert #1

those are the choices pick 1

if the tax is lower people drive more and therefore they get more money???? Wrong that just means more traffic more plowing more salt and sand and an infastructure that crumbles even quicker. more vehicles being driven more miles increases the problem not solves it.

That doesn't mean that money ant be saved. for instance in Many European countries the standards for high way repaying are much higher. while the initial cost is greater you get a safer longer lasting road saving money in the long run. We can always look for ways to stretch that dollar, but more dollars are needed no matter how you slice it.

There is a choice #4:

They could stop investing in Solyndra, Tesla, algae, stop sending "aid" to countries that hate us, stop subsidizing Hollywood, Planned Parenthood, NPR, electric motorcycles, windmills, oil companies, big banks, GM, Chrysler, NASCAR, stop giving raises to members of Congress and the Federal Government, and stop the President's repeated trips to Hawai'i, (unless he want to pay out of his own pocket), etc. . .

How important is infrastructure anyway when all this other sh!t seems to come first?

[bender2]

Originally Posted by 37L1

There is a choice #4:

They could stop investing in Solyndra, Tesla, algae, stop sending "aid" to countries that hate us, stop subsidizing Hollywood, Planned Parenthood, NPR, electric motorcycles, windmills, oil companies, big banks, GM, Chrysler, NASCAR, stop giving raises to members of Congress and the Federal Government, and stop the President's repeated trips to Hawai'i, (unless he want to pay out of his own pocket), etc. . .

How important is infrastructure anyway when all this other sh!t seems to come first?

Charity starts at home. I agree STOP sending money out of the USA.Think of the money spent on two ongoing wars, what that alone would do for our country.

[DeadRiver]

I can wait until I qualify for being subsidized.

Or is it sodomized?

[layer1]

Originally Posted by 37L1

There is a choice #4:

They could stop investing in Solyndra, Tesla, algae, stop sending "aid" to countries that hate us, stop subsidizing Hollywood, Planned Parenthood, NPR, electric motorcycles, windmills, oil companies, big banks, GM, Chrysler, NASCAR, stop giving raises to members of Congress and the Federal Government, and stop the President's repeated trips to Hawai'i, (unless he want to pay out of his own pocket), etc. . .

How important is infrastructure anyway when all this other sh!t seems to come first?

You forgot one. Stop sending the Presidents daughter and her friends with nearly two dozen Secret Service folks on personal trips.

WhoreGalaxing

[Shane06fl]

Originally Posted by srvfan

They have 3 choices
1 allow the infastructure to continue to crumble we are not spending enough to maintaine it let alone expand it.

2. raise the gas tax to avert# 1

3. TAx you with some type of GPS device to avert #1

those are the choices pick 1

if the tax is lower people drive more and therefore they get more money???? Wrong that just means more traffic more plowing more salt and sand and an infastructure that crumbles even quicker. more vehicles being driven more miles increases the problem not solves it.

That doesn't mean that money ant be saved. for instance in Many European countries the standards for high way repaying are much higher. while the initial cost is greater you get a safer longer lasting road saving money in the long run. We can always look for ways to stretch that dollar, but more dollars are needed no matter how you slice it.

1.Stop spending billions of $$$ on useless phucking wars where the very nature of the people do not want democracy and they don't want the US or any other country there butting in.

2. stop sending that Federal gas tax dollars oversea's for funding hybrid cars

3. cut Federal spending and control the budget to allow for the gas tax to spent correctly.

4. My state raises taxes for all it's county and state owned roads.

5. ask FEMA why they need a 60 Million dollar Hurricane Sandy relief bill when most of that money is being spent on pork.

6. Vote all the assholes in office that don't how to balance a budget out of office.

I could find ways to pay for infrastructure.

[srvfan]

Right stop all the waste....... Spend the money on the roads like they are supposed to........ Stop the wars ..... Don't send our money over seas.

Does our Navy need 13 Nuclear super Carriers when most countries don't have 1 carrier?? let alone a Nuclear super carrier .

Hey how come the able bodied on Welfare can't be put to work give them a shovel and fix the roads etc etc.

HAHAHAHAHA what are you guys smoking? You live in fantasy land if you think that is going to happen.

Who are you going to vote in that's gonna stop it???? A republican??? Good luck with that. Even if you could you think that will stop Earmarks?? DREAM ON.

Now if u want to drive on, we'll need to pay more... Sorry that's the way it works don't shoot the messenger.