CRYING about gas guzzlers

[ICE17N24]

If you are just messing around and bored like me (2 weeks vacation), read this: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1210-26.htm It is FUNNY It is pretty short, a page.

The thing that makes me REALLY laugh is that I drive a 2003 6.0L Ford Diesel Excursion Limited (wife's toy). The wife's Excursion gets between 16.5 to 17 MPG. My Titan get about 15.5 to 16.5 MPG. So the X beats the Titan in MPG. BUT since the X is so big and massive, NUMBNUTZ like this like to bash us for driving them.

I was over reading the dieselstop.com forums and read that someone had keyed this guys X. They were saying that it was probably some tree hugger and because of articles like that. I hope people don't figure out that the Titan gets worse gas milage than the X, OR I MIGHT JUST HAVE TO BORROW THAT FORCEFIELD that one of you guys mentioned (for both of my vehicles)

LATER

[keiffers]

Probably had nothing to do with a treehugger. Probably some idiot that hated the fact that the X takes up so much space, etc....someone who drives a Geo Metro LOL

but hey no worries anymore, since Ford isn't going to be making the Excursion anymore. LOL

[radiokid]

I think vehicles that get lower mpg figures have been mis characterized as the only gas guzzlers and heres why.

I'll be the example in this case.

I use my Titan to drive to work...28 miles round trip x 5 days a week. That comes out to 2gal/day x 5 days + a few gallons running around on the weekends. Total ~ 13 gal/week. Now compare that to any number of people who use vehicles to make a living.

My point is that total gas used /wk obviously determines who uses the most fuel.

Just another point of view

[ICE17N24]

Originally Posted by radiokid

I use my Titan to drive to work...28 miles round trip x 5 days a week. That comes out to 2gal/day x 5 days + a few gallons running around on the weekends. Total ~ 13 gal/week. Now compare that to any number of people who use vehicles to make a living.

My point is that total gas used /wk obviously determines who uses the most fuel.

I agree totally with that. The Xcursion and the Titan are weekend vehicles for us. My wife and I both have company vehicles. My X is an 03 with only 18,000 on it and we have had it for 1 1/2 years. But that still doesn't keep some tree hugger from keying it because he believes that my gas guzzling X is the cause of the worlds gas SHORTAGE . Just like that NUMBNUTZ that wrote that article. The only thing that the NUMBNUTZ could complain about is that when I fill up it takes 44 gallons of Diesel $88.00 OUCH

People like that NUMBNUTZ don't think about the fact that everything you purchase from a store COST FUEL TO GET IT THERE. Most things are trucked in, ie....milk, vegetables, his christmas present, clothes, his freaking books to become a law professor, and pretty much everything. So stupid tree huggers need to move to Mexico and grow there own food and raise there own cows and make their clothes out of leaves and SH!T .

Boy, I feel better now

LATER ICE

[radiokid]

I guess the tree-huggers think that fuel usage only applies to other people. So how did he get his butt to the prostest rally...car...bus....taxi? How did he get his clothes or food or anything else. Youth is really an illogica and short sighted time for some. I'm guilty

[Denali]

Originally Posted by radiokid

I guess the tree-huggers think that fuel usage only applies to other people. So how did he get his butt to the prostest rally...car...bus....taxi? How did he get his clothes or food or anything else. Youth is really an illogica and short sighted time for some. I'm guilty

That is much like those ELF clown torching H2s because they are not environmentally friendly. But each tire they burned put more crap into the air then the cars can in 100 years. Most people like this have no real clue about truth or consequences.

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" Samuel Adams

[logicjunky]

Originally Posted by ICE17N24

People like that NUMBNUTZ don't think about the fact that everything you purchase from a store COST FUEL TO GET IT THERE. Most things are trucked in, ie....milk, vegetables, his christmas present, clothes, his freaking books to become a law professor, and pretty much everything. So stupid tree huggers need to move to Mexico and grow there own food and raise there own cows and make their clothes out of leaves and SH!T .

Boy, I feel better now

LATER ICE

Very true. I think the latest statistics show that 99% of the groceries in the US are delivered by truck to each grocery store chain. The next time that an environmentalist points the finger at you for not being "environmentally friendly" just point out that they should be on a permanent hunger strike or they are polluting just as bad as you are.

[Farmer Fred]

So the thing to do is to do nothing?

Sounds like a big steaming pile of rationalization to me. My co-workers commute 25 miles (one way) in their big dumb SUVs, each in his or her own vehicle. It doesn't really make much sense.

(But each one has a little yellow made-in-China "support our troops" magnetic ribbon on it.)

[logicjunky]

Originally Posted by Farmer Fred

So the thing to do is to do nothing?

Sounds like a big steaming pile of rationalization to me. My co-workers commute 25 miles (one way) in their big dumb SUVs, each in his or her own vehicle. It doesn't really make much sense.

(But each one has a little yellow made-in-China "support our troops" magnetic ribbon on it.)

Okay, I was gonna save the geology lesson to spare everyone the boredom, but humans really cannot impact global warming like they think we do. The global climate is only impacted by great events that we do not participate in, like giant volcanic eruptions. The amount of debris put into the atmosphere reduces the amount of sunlight, radiation, etc the Earth can absorb which will cause a cooling trend throughout the world possibly depending on the size of the volcanic eruption. (Excluding thermo-nuclear warfare of course.)

Remember the days of the Dust Bowl(s) or remember learning about it in American History? Well, it has been proven that all of those droughts that went across the US starting in Nebraska area and moving east and ending the Ohio Valley region (I can't remember exactly I think there were 3/4 phases) but a decade at a time, each drought region is directly linked to a unusually large solar flare that happened across the surface of the sun. Each decade a solar flare would rage across the sun and when a new one started that was large enough it just so happened to exactly match up to the effected drought region in the US. (Boring isn't it?) Two semesters of geology and especially Glacial Geology & Sedimentology will teach you this, sucks to be me doesn't it?

The point is simply this: Humans cannot truly do great damage to our environment. The biggest threat is a loss in CO2 recycling from deforestation, not my big Titan and its exhaust.

An environmentalist is just a hippy with a new reason to protest, since we can all vote here in the US and Vietnam is over, they have Iraq and the environment to protest about now. I don't hate hippies, I am dating one now as a matter of fact, but they are just uninformed on some issues.

[Vegas04]

I love my titan, but at least my wife and I use it for tree-hugging endeavors like camping. Oh wait, I also use it to haul around my LTZ-400 which thrashes desert landscape w/ abandon and pollutes the air with abnoxious noise.
and one more thing, maybe these people believe that if we think hard enough and light enough candles we can generate electricity from recycled grocery bags; the truth is however, the only way we are going to generate enough power for our multiplying species w/o emitting those dreaded hydrocarbons is through nuclear power. but of course they have to cry about yucca mountain because 3 miles underneath a 10,000 yr. old mountain is just not safe enough. i guess they just have to have something to moan about.

[Farmer Fred]

Originally Posted by logicjunky

Okay, I was gonna save the geology lesson to spare everyone the boredom, but humans really cannot impact global warming like they think we do. The global climate is only impacted by great events that we do not participate in, like giant volcanic eruptions.

Wow, thanks for using those two semesters of geology to clear that up.

Originally Posted by logicjunky

The point is simply this: Humans cannot truly do great damage to our environment. The biggest threat is a loss in CO2 recycling from deforestation, not my big Titan and its exhaust.

Even if (a big if) I were to buy into your global warming theory, there are other more measurable harmful effects that humans create in the environment, like ground-level ozone, particulant emissions, etc. To say "humans cannot do great damage to the environment" and then mention deforestation is a little contradictory, no?

And besides the environmental issues regarding gas guzzlers, there's that little Iraqi Adventure fun ride going on. And if you don't think it's about oil....

[wareagle]

The point they are trying to make is that we should at least try to help the environment b/c what we do today WILL impact our grandchildren. If we all drove toyota echo's or small low emmission good gas milage vehicles then we could cut pollution by alot. It's not the big trucks and busses that hurt our environment b/c if a bus can hold 80 people then the emmissions of that one bus would not come close to the emmissions of 80 cars and suv's. We have to have semi's to haul goods but the way trucks are gatting bigger everyone will be driving a semi to work soon, have you seen the new truck from international? What a joke for the average consumer if they drive that back and forth to work. If they would hurry up and come out with hydrogen burning cars with zero emmissions we wouldn't have this problems but then the oil companies would be poor. Go ahead and invest in the hydrogen companies b/c they will be the cartels of the future. Where will all that hydrogen be produced? probably not in america b/c they wouldn't want to pay their workers a decent salary and only make 80 billion dollars profit instead of 200 billion dollars profit. Anyway I can't say much b/c I am not helping by driving the titan back and forth to work when I just use it occassionally for hauling a boat and other stuff, but I don't have the money to buy and insure 2 vehicles. They just need to make a 305hp that gets 30mpg

[logicjunky]

Originally Posted by Farmer Fred

Wow, thanks for using those two semesters of geology to clear that up.



Even if (a big if) I were to buy into your global warming theory, there are other more measurable harmful effects that humans create in the environment, like ground-level ozone, particulant emissions, etc. To say "humans cannot do great damage to the environment" and then mention deforestation is a little contradictory, no?

And besides the environmental issues regarding gas guzzlers, there's that little Iraqi Adventure fun ride going on. And if you don't think it's about oil....

True, I did contradict myself, but not in direct terms. I meant that humans are not doing the damage that the warming trend leads a lot of people to believe. If you were to look up the trends on cooling and warming throughout the millenia we would see that the Earth has had more water and less ice than it does now. Now, the global warming theory is up to you if you want to believe it. I didn't write it, the geology professor that taught it didn't write it, but it is widely excepted and I think I remember reading (maybe on CNN.com) not too long ago some study was published showing this warming trend as phase in the Earth's climate that was typical. We are all entitled to believe what we choose based on the evidence and support for the defense of any and all arguments.

I'm sure we are in Iraq for oil. We did have good reason to be there for Saddam but, the truth is in the oil. I saw the same 60 Minutes episode you did about how the first tankers to pull into the US w/ Iraqi crude were from Connoco Phillips which Condaleeza Rice used to be VP for and Haliburton has all of the major contracting/oil work over there (**** Chenney was CEO).

Sorry for any confusion, but while I live in the US and have the freedoms that I have, I will love driving my Titan every second regardless of what I have to pay for a gallon of gas. It's my right, my forefathers purchased it for me through blood, sweat and tears that I am thankful for every day I am alive. IMO our country has lost sight of what was earned by our forefathers for us so that we may enjoy our freedoms and lives as was intended. If it came down to it and I was asked to do that for my country, I would be one of the first in line to defend what we have just like my uncle, and grandfathers and grandmother before me and my great grandfathers before them did whether it was by choice or draft.

I'm an American and I pay respect where respect is do, to family first and country second. I recycle, donate all of my used clothing and material possessions that I no longer use or have a need for. I contribute to my community and put my best foot forward in everything I do.

So, my selfish nature shines through b/c I feel it's my inherent right to drive my Titan and suck up gas and put out emissions that our environment doesn't process too well. It could be worse, I could be in denial about my situation like so many others are...

[keiffers]

Originally Posted by logicjunky

Okay, I was gonna save the geology lesson to spare everyone the boredom, but humans really cannot impact global warming like they think we do. The global climate is only impacted by great events that we do not participate in, like giant volcanic eruptions. The amount of debris put into the atmosphere reduces the amount of sunlight, radiation, etc the Earth can absorb which will cause a cooling trend throughout the world possibly depending on the size of the volcanic eruption. (Excluding thermo-nuclear warfare of course.)

When St Helens 'burped' here a few months ago, they were talking about just that. The steam kicks out so much gas that it makes us look like the cleanest people on earth with what we produce from our Titan engines or styrofoam cups on the side of the road.

[radiokid]

So the thing to do is to do nothing?

Precisely!

As for me, I'm going sit in a tree, cut soles off my shoes, and learn to play the flute!