Browning BOSS???

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by helomech

The boss is patented therefore it can't be put on by another manufacturer.

Not true. Patents do not prevent other manufacturers from sharing technology via royalty agreements. (As they often do, i.e., Ruger's transfer bar safety for revolvers.) FYI, there is a retrofit version of the BOSS produced by a party outside of Browning under license. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...E+MUZZLE+BRAKE

Originally Posted by helomech

And if you say the boss doesn't improve the accuracy of a rifle, you have either never used one or you are delusional.

If you honestly believe your own nonsense, then I cannot help you. I can pass along thirty-some-odd years of shooting experience, but I cannot pass along anything that might help you with your possible learning disability.

Originally Posted by helomech

I really doubt all of your rifles can do that. All of mine can't, just the browning.

Considering someone of your ilk probably owns a plethora of such high quality rifles as SKSs, Marlin 336s, etc. versus Remington 700s, Winchester 70s, Sako 75s, Ruger 77s -- things I own and shoot -- I'm sure you're quite right.

Originally Posted by helomech

Actually I shot 5 deer this year all in one day 2 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon, 2 were head shots at more than 150 yards.

And what does this prove? Am I supposed to also respond with a lie?

[helomech]

Not true. Patents do not prevent other manufacturers from sharing technology via royalty agreements. (As they often do, i.e., Ruger's transfer bar safety for revolvers.) FYI, there is a retrofit version of the BOSS produced by a party outside of Browning under license. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...MUZZLE+ BRAKE
patents do stop other manufactures from installing them from the factory. If you honestly believe your own nonsense, then I cannot help you. I can pass along thirty-some-odd years of shooting experience, but I cannot pass along anything that might help you with your possible learning disability.
Are you really saying that you think the boss doesn't improve accuracy? I have been shooting since I was about 7 so I have about 25 years experience. About 10 years reloading. Considering someone of your ilk probably owns a plethora of such high quality rifles as SKSs, Marlin 336s, etc. versus Remington 700s, Winchester 70s, Sako 75s, Ruger 77s -- things I own and shoot -- I'm sure you're quite right. None of these manufacturers claim anything less than 1 moa.
And what does this prove? Am I supposed to also respond with a lie? It is not a lie, just because you have never done something doesn't mean it is a lie. I just tried to load the pics, but they are all over 1 meg, and I don't know how to make the smaller.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by helomech

Are you really saying that you think the boss doesn't improve accuracy?

I am REALLY "saying" that. All the BOSS does is allow the user to tune barrel vibrations to match the ammunition used vice tuning the ammunition to match the barrel vibrations.

Originally Posted by helomech

I have been shooting since I was about 7 so I have about 25 years experience. About 10 years reloading.

And, according to your posts, a lifetime of stumbling around in the dark.

Originally Posted by helomech

None of these manufacturers claim anything less than 1 moa.

I am not aware of any accuracy "guarantee" by any manufacturer other than Weatherby. However, it is not uncommon for a high quality modern rifle from WInchester/USRA, Remington, Ruger, or Sako to shoot at or under 1-MOA with ammunition of reasonable quality. My Remington 700 VS in .308 WCF consistently shoots at approximately 1/2-inch (or less if I do my part) with my handloads. And without some doodad on the barrel.

Originally Posted by helomech

It is not a lie, just because you have never done something doesn't mean it is a lie. I just tried to load the pics, but they are all over 1 meg, and I don't know how to make the smaller.

So, because you say you did something and have something of an ability to post photographs on the internet, therefore it now becomes factual? Is your name James Frey?


It's all well and good that you're ga-ga over your BOSS doodad, but I've presented my information and I'll stand by it.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by Johnny Nitro

I am REALLY "saying" that. All the BOSS does is allow the user to tune barrel vibrations to match the ammunition used vice tuning the ammunition to match the barrel vibrations.
Yes it allows one gun to shoot a wide variety of ammo and get great groups with all of them. Most guns you have to tune the ammo to the gun.
And, according to your posts, a lifetime of stumbling around in the dark. No if that is what beleive than go ahead, but I shoot almost every day, I have a 300 yard range behind my house. So I have plenty of opportunities to practice and enjoy shooting.

I am not aware of any accuracy "guarantee" by any manufacturer other than Weatherby. However, it is not uncommon for a high quality modern rifle from WInchester/USRA, Remington, Ruger, or Sako to shoot at or under 1-MOA with ammunition of reasonable quality. My Remington 700 VS in .308 WCF consistently shoots at approximately 1/2-inch (or less if I do my part) with my handloads. And without some doodad on the barrel.
I do own ruger and remington, and I never said that they were not good guns, but for the money I believe the browning with the boss to be the best. Sure you could by a custom rifle for over 2000 dollars that will shoot great, but my browning will hold its own against any of them for a fraction of the price. If I do my part my browning will shoot 1/2 groups when the boss is tuned in with good factory ammo. Besides I really like the recoil reduction of the boss. The remingtons are well know for accuracy, that is why so many snipers use them. Once you get a decent trigger job done on them.
So, because you say you did something and have something of an ability to post photographs on the internet, therefore it now becomes factual? Is your name James Frey?
I really don't care if you believe me or not, I hunted in Georgia for 5 days, and only saw deer on one day. I saw 5 in the morning but only took 2, the afternoon hunt I saw 6 and took 3. No my name is not James Frey however he is.

It's all well and good that you're ga-ga over your BOSS doodad, but I've presented my information and I'll stand by it.

I like the boss, and think it is a great product. I don't know how you seperate each part of your reply.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by helomech

I like the boss, and think it is a great product.

I'm happy for you, but after thirteen years, it's not catching on in the shooting and hunting community. And no other manufacturers have expressed an interest, nor have target shooters.

Originally Posted by helomech

I don't know how you seperate each part of your reply.

Enter, board code, etc.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by Johnny Nitro

I'm happy for you, but after thirteen years, it's not catching on in the shooting and hunting community. And no other manufacturers have expressed an interest, nor have target shooters.

Enter, board code, etc.

I really don't know why it isn't catching on, it does everything that they claim. I enjoy sitting at my shooting bench and messing with the boss until the group is as small as I can get it. I just don't believe that the boss is a gimmick. It allows me to pick any ammo I want and get really good groups. How is that not good? My youngest son dumped chocolate milk on my laptop, and all the keys on the right side don't work, including the enter key. What is the board code?

[helomech]

This is the only pic I have that is under the 490kb limit. These are the three I killed in the afternoon. Now you know I didn't lie about this atleast. The two does are the head shots. The buck is the biggest I have ever killed we don't see many decent bucks in south Louisiana.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by helomech

I really don't know why it isn't catching on, it does everything that they claim.

Which is of no interest to most shooters. The typical demographic that finds the BOSS appealing is someone who does not shoot or handload to any great extent.

Originally Posted by helomech

I enjoy sitting at my shooting bench and messing with the boss until the group is as small as I can get it.

As I enjoy assembling various powder and bullet combinations and shooting them over a chronograph.

Originally Posted by helomech

I just don't believe that the boss is a gimmick.

It is; i.e. its neglect by the shooting industry and community and reduced catalog offerings by its manufacturer. But as long as you're happy, that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by helomech

It allows me to pick any ammo I want and get really good groups. How is that not good?

See first answer.

Originally Posted by helomech

My youngest son dumped chocolate milk on my laptop, and all the keys on the right side don't work, including the enter key. What is the board code?

Search the board.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by helomech

Attachment 19968 This is the only pic I have that is under the 490kb limit. These are the three I killed in the afternoon. Now you know I didn't lie about this atleast. The two does are the head shots. The buck is the biggest I have ever killed we don't see many decent bucks in south Louisiana.

And this proves the effectiveness of the BOSS in what way?

I've also killed deer with iron-sighted muzzleloaders. And no BOSS.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by Johnny Nitro

And this proves the effectiveness of the BOSS in what way?

I've also killed deer with iron-sighted muzzleloaders. And no BOSS.

It wasn't meant to prove the effectivenesss of the BOSS you called me a liar so I showed you I wasn't lying. I am really not trying to fight with you. We both like guns, shooting, and apparently trucks, lets just say we disagree on the best rifle.

[helomech]

I shrunk one with photo shop. Not trying to prove the boss, just trying to show you I am not a liar.

[Johnny Nitro]

Originally Posted by helomech

It wasn't meant to prove the effectivenesss of the BOSS you called me a liar so I showed you I wasn't lying.

It seemed a little odd that you began the discussion by stating that your BOSS is so good that you were able to kill two deer, which became FIVE after I stated I was able to perform a similar "feat" without the same gizmo.

Originally Posted by helomech

I am really not trying to fight with you. We both like guns, shooting, and apparently trucks, lets just say we disagree on the best rifle.

We haven't discussed the rifles yet, though I do own two rifles on which the BOSS is available -- a Model 70 Winchester and a Browning A-Bolt II. I think you're under a misconception as to what the BOSS does; it doesn't enhance accuracy, it only allows the rifle to be tuned or calibrated to any load vice developing a load to match the rifle. Most handloaders don't need one.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by Johnny Nitro

It seemed a little odd that you began the discussion by stating that your BOSS is so good that you were able to kill two deer, which became FIVE after I stated I was able to perform a similar "feat" without the same gizmo.

We haven't discussed the rifles yet, though I do own two rifles on which the BOSS is available -- a Model 70 Winchester and a Browning A-Bolt II. I think you're under a misconception as to what the BOSS does; it doesn't enhance accuracy, it only allows the rifle to be tuned or calibrated to any load vice developing a load to match the rifle. Most handloaders don't need one.

Actually I said I made two head shots which is true, I didn't mention the other 3 deer because I didn't think it mattered they were not head shots. I handload and it still helps because even handloading some guns don't like certain bullets as much as other bullets. Even if you change the length, the powder, the primer and the cases. The boss allows me to shoot whatever bullet I want for a given task, and make it shoot better than handloading alone.

[Johnny Nitro]

I'm going to end my participation in the thread with this:

helomech, I think you're probably a decent guy. A fellow gun nut and deer hunter can't be all bad. Hell, I'd even drink a beer and swap a few lies with you if we lived closer.

As far as the BOSS goes: I'm through discussing it. There's nothing more for me to add.

I've recently purchased a used Remington 700 that was rebarreled by a previous owner and I'm curious to see how it shoots whenever I get around to mounting a scope.

I'm going to try and avoid any gun purchases for 2006. I have too many other gun-related projects that are getting left by the wayside if I don't adhere to that (and I'm getting ready to buy another gun safe).

[helomech]

Wife is having surgery in the morning so I am getting off as well. My next gun purchase is going to be a .50BMG. Want the barrett, but that is a lot of money for one gun.