Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

[kman]

Originally Posted by rholland

These freaking liberals, when one of theirs gets caught, oh everyone does it, oh, it's no big deal.
But let even a rumor that a Republican did something, then the liberal press and the Soros crowd reports it as fact.
No one has ever had any proof that Bush has done any of the things that he has been accused of, if the democrat controlled congress had any proof of any wrongdoing, Bush would have already been impeached.

Bush did not fly those planes into the Twin Towers.

so to your point it was a Republican controlled congress in 2003 when you pointed out that is was uncovered that Clinton had committed treason by passing nuclear technology to the Chinese. Why didn't the republican controlled congress go after him? Republicans don't do that sort of thing? they don't defend the constitution?

[Blakker08]

Originally Posted by rholland

These freaking liberals, when one of theirs gets caught, oh everyone does it, oh, it's no big deal.
But let even a rumor that a Republican did something, then the liberal press and the Soros crowd reports it as fact.
No one has ever had any proof that Bush has done any of the things that he has been accused of, if the democrat controlled congress had any proof of any wrongdoing, Bush would have already been impeached.

Bush did not fly those planes into the Twin Towers.

I know what ya mean. A Republican candidate simply takes the skin boat to tuna town with one his lobbyists and it's all over the front page of the New York Times.

When Clinton did it, all we did was try to have him impeached because *gasp* a married man lied about boning a chubby chick. What a shocker.

Those meanie liberal journalists.

...and you're right, there was no proof that Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq. Except for the fact that there were none to be found, these libbies have NOTHING.


-B

[bestatchess]

Originally Posted by rholland

No one has ever had any proof that Bush has done any of the things that he has been accused of, if the democrat controlled congress had any proof of any wrongdoing, Bush would have already been impeached.

Pardons may be sprinkled about like snowflakes in a Colorado blizzard before Dubya & crew leave office. Illegal wire tapping and War Crimes Act violations pose problems for Dubya.

[chunko]

Originally Posted by bestatchess

Clinton has banked maybe $60,000,000 in speaking fees since being president, which is pretty nice, but actually chump change compared to the Saudi - Carlye - Bush action.

Amen...

I think some of you guys are so anti democrat you're not seeing clearly. I say this, because Bush has almost (almost) made me that anti republican. I mean...I hate me some Bush. IMHO he's in office thanks to the very rich, very religous, and very uneducated...that and two horrible democrats going up as his competition. To say Bush is better than Gore or Kerry is one thing (I still have trouble with that) but to say his is better than Clinton? Bush has gotta be in the running for worst president in the history of our country.

* Starting a war under false pretenses, which just so happened to have manipulated the price of oil and made him and VP very, very, rich.

* Erosion of personal freedoms.

* Made every attempt to assert powers of the Exec. branch that were never intended

* F*cked our economy hard by cutting taxes and spending like there is no tomorrow.

Can you tell I <heart> Bush?

[TallTexan]

The dems and the French are one in the same. They both believe they can stick their head in the sand and all will get better. Clinton allowed the terrorists to kill and mame for 8 years and all he did was bomb empty buildings. Sailors died and he did nothing. marines died, he did nothing. World trade center bombed first time, sent the FBI after them to send them to jail after a long legal battle paid for by taxpayers. Bush came in an they hit us hard . He had to act and like he said, you are with us or against us. War is hell and we are in a war but some still have a problem recognizing the fact.
As I read the posts here, there is so much hatred that if all of us got together to discuss this same subject, some one would probably get hurt. I now know how the civil war got started. We all see things differently mainly because the way we were raised. My family all served in the military and therefore I felt I needed to do my part. I came from a very religious family and I also followed the same path. So I am easy to pick out of the crowd, I fit the classic Republican. Not all but most Dems seem to be anti war, not very religious, most favor a lot of social programs, every one should be equal and earn the same money. Classic communisim. Russia tried it and the doctor made the same money as the truck driver. They had few doctors because who wants to go to school for 10 years for truck driver wages.
I see no way this country will ever come together as long as the differences we have now exist. Maybe one day when a terrorist destroys a few cities with nuclear weapons and kills a few hundred thousand people, we will finally come together for one cause. Until then, we will continue to sink to the bottom of the pit where we seem to want to go.

[Blakker08]

Originally Posted by TallTexan

The dems and the French are one in the same. They both believe they can stick their head in the sand and all will get better. Clinton allowed the terrorists to kill and mame for 8 years and all he did was bomb empty buildings. Sailors died and he did nothing. marines died, he did nothing. World trade center bombed first time, sent the FBI after them to send them to jail after a long legal battle paid for by taxpayers. Bush came in an they hit us hard . He had to act and like he said, you are with us or against us. War is hell and we are in a war but some still have a problem recognizing the fact.
As I read the posts here, there is so much hatred that if all of us got together to discuss this same subject, some one would probably get hurt. I now know how the civil war got started. We all see things differently mainly because the way we were raised. My family all served in the military and therefore I felt I needed to do my part. I came from a very religious family and I also followed the same path. So I am easy to pick out of the crowd, I fit the classic Republican. Not all but most Dems seem to be anti war, not very religious, most favor a lot of social programs, every one should be equal and earn the same money. Classic communisim. Russia tried it and the doctor made the same money as the truck driver. They had few doctors because who wants to go to school for 10 years for truck driver wages.
I see no way this country will ever come together as long as the differences we have now exist. Maybe one day when a terrorist destroys a few cities with nuclear weapons and kills a few hundred thousand people, we will finally come together for one cause. Until then, we will continue to sink to the bottom of the pit where we seem to want to go.

I'm not going to argue with you (because well, that would be an exercise in futility), but here are some facts surrounding your fiction.

1. Ranting and raving on television doesn't help the "war on terror", it only helps the oil companies. One need only look at the pump for proof of that. Ever wonder how much OIL and oil company stock the "axis of evil" owns?

2. A few sailors and Marines may have died under Clinton as you say, but Bush, in typical Texas fashion, has made that number MUCH bigger. Thanks to his continued "efforts", that number continues to grow by the minute. What was the goal here again?

3. The WTC was attacked in 1993. This was under Clinton's watch, but less than a year after taking office from Bush senior. Using the logic that this was somehow Clinton's fault, we have nobody else to blame for 911 but Bush Jr.

4. The fall of the USSR happened on your beloved Reagan's watch. His presidency was followed by Bush Sr. THOSE two presidents were the ones that should have formulated a plan to track and control nuclear weapons coming out of the former USSR. As usual, that party dropped the ball and handed a situation to Clinton where nukes had been "loose" for years.

Any questions? I didn't think so. Now some statements in reply to some of your "points".

-If communism means putting an end to out of control off-shoring and higher taxes for greedy CEO's, then call me Komrade.

-If communism means making sure the people in the poor neighborhood 5 miles away from me aren't clogging up the emergency room because they can't pay for health care, then again, call me Komrade.

-I would welcome a civil war. It's high time the blue states stopped funding the idiotic agenda of the right. Yes, I'd rather we formed two countries.

-Religion SHOULD have nothing to do with government. Organized religion is for weak-minded people who need something to follow. I don't want it in the Washington.

-If a terrorist wants to "destroy a few cities", then they will. As Mexicans continue to stroll across our borders unchecked, that would mean that any "terrorist" that wants to bring nukes into the country, CAN and WILL if given the opportunity. The same goes for some of our Canadian border points that operate on the "honor system". They can come in somewhere else, and then walk right on in. Bush's failed policies certainly aren't going to stop them, and neither is a worn out US military, or underfunded and out-gunned US border patrol. We're not safe, we're marketing for oil companies.

Any questions?

-B

[tnbowhunter]

Originally Posted by Blakker08

I'm not going to argue with you (because well, that would be an exercise in futility), but here are some facts surrounding your fiction.

1. Ranting and raving on television doesn't help the "war on terror", it only helps the oil companies. One need only look at the pump for proof of that. Ever wonder how much OIL and oil company stock the "axis of evil" owns?

2. A few sailors and Marines may have died under Clinton as you say, but Bush, in typical Texas fashion, has made that number MUCH bigger. Thanks to his continued "efforts", that number continues to grow by the minute. What was the goal here again?

3. The WTC was attacked in 1993. This was under Clinton's watch, but less than a year after taking office from Bush senior. Using the logic that this was somehow Clinton's fault, we have nobody else to blame for 911 but Bush Jr.

4. The fall of the USSR happened on your beloved Reagan's watch. His presidency was followed by Bush Sr. THOSE two presidents were the ones that should have formulated a plan to track and control nuclear weapons coming out of the former USSR. As usual, that party dropped the ball and handed a situation to Clinton where nukes had been "loose" for years.

Any questions? I didn't think so. Now some statements in reply to some of your "points".

-If communism means putting an end to out of control off-shoring and higher taxes for greedy CEO's, then call me Komrade.

-If communism means making sure the people in the poor neighborhood 5 miles away from me aren't clogging up the emergency room because they can't pay for health care, then again, call me Komrade.

-I would welcome a civil war. It's high time the blue states stopped funding the idiotic agenda of the right. Yes, I'd rather we formed two countries.

-Religion SHOULD have nothing to do with government. Organized religion is for weak-minded people who need something to follow. I don't want it in the Washington.
-If a terrorist wants to "destroy a few cities", then they will. As Mexicans continue to stroll across our borders unchecked, that would mean that any "terrorist" that wants to bring nukes into the country, CAN and WILL if given the opportunity. The same goes for some of our Canadian border points that operate on the "honor system". They can come in somewhere else, and then walk right on in. Bush's failed policies certainly aren't going to stop them, and neither is a worn out US military, or underfunded and out-gunned US border patrol. We're not safe, we're marketing for oil companies.

Any questions?

-B

I can ignore most of your rhetoric, but don't call me weak minded unless your talking face to face with me.

[Blakker08]

Originally Posted by tnbowhunter

I can ignore most of your rhetoric, but don't call me weak minded unless your talking face to face with me.

Since religious folks have no qualms about going around and bashing the "godless", I'll say what I feel. If you stood face to face to me and we got into that conversation, you'd need religion, trust me.

As I said, organized religion is for weak minded people that need something to follow.

...and that wasn't rhetoric. When you can refute those facts, you let me know, Hoss.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled right-wing fantasy.

-B

[bbomar]

And here we go again!!!

Some always "think" they are better than others................

Some should reconsider those thoughts!! LOL

[TallTexan]

I think I proved my point. To see someone say that Communism might be a good thing and religion has no place in government shows just how far the liberals have evolved. A trip to Washington DC to look at all the religious writings on the buildings and the religious writings of our founding fathers has to , at the very least, show that religion played a big part in our founding principals. I do agree with some here that no amount of discussions will change minds. This country is on a collision course and no one can stop it. As far as saying a civil war might be a good thing, remember, us right wingers are armed to the teeth and most are trained by the military. Liberal peace flags won't last long. Let the games begin.

[TallTexan]

I vote we end this conversation as it seems to always evolve into a pi**ing contest. We better find a way to live with each other if this country is to survive. We owe our kids and grandkids that much.

[Blakker08]

Originally Posted by TallTexan

I think I proved my point. To see someone say that Communism might be a good thing and religion has no place in government shows just how far the liberals have evolved. A trip to Washington DC to look at all the religious writings on the buildings and the religious writings of our founding fathers has to , at the very least, show that religion played a big part in our founding principals. I do agree with some here that no amount of discussions will change minds. This country is on a collision course and no one can stop it. As far as saying a civil war might be a good thing, remember, us right wingers are armed to the teeth and most are trained by the military. Liberal peace flags won't last long. Let the games begin.

Yeah, that's why we won the last time, lol. You people will never learn.

As for organized religion, well, so did slavery. We made a lot of mistakes. Some have been corrected, some haven't.

Without getting into another futile debate, all I'm going to say is we tried it your way for 8 years. Our country, at this point, should be declared an economic and social disaster area.

It's time to do it the right way. Sit back and enjoy the ride, the whole time complaining about the trip. You know, like usual.

-B

[Blakker08]

Originally Posted by TallTexan

I vote we end this conversation as it seems to always evolve into a pi**ing contest. We better find a way to live with each other if this country is to survive. We owe our kids and grandkids that much.

Typical Republican response. When you can't bully or dominate your opponent, cut and run, then blame the loss on the Dems.

-B

[TallTexan]

You have never heard a Republican talk about cut and run, that is a liberal move. Internet heroes are many and like to have a war of words. Words is about all they got. I will shut up now and stop feeding the monkey.

[bbomar]

Well, I see this thread getting closed anytime now......