Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back - Page 4

**chunko** · 02-28-2008, 01:31 PM

Yeah, we really should try not to fudge up the planet...pretty common sense...reduced carbon and nox emissions are part of it, as is reducing ocean pollution, reducing forest destruction, etc. etc.

I also know that Al Gore stands to profit handsomely from the global warming scare and does not practice what he preaches.

Both sides are right...from a factual perspective.

37L1 · 02-28-2008, 01:33 PM

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Yeah, we really should try not to fudge up the planet...pretty common sense.

I also know that Al Gore stands to profit handsomely from the global warming scare and does not practice what he preaches.

Sure he does. He counters his energy usage by purchasing carbon credits.

Doesn't everyone?

Noseeum · 02-28-2008, 01:34 PM

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Sure he does. He counters his energy usage by purchasing carbon credits.

Doesn't everyone?

Of course we do, was the first thing on my list after buying the Titan.

**Kronos1965** · 02-28-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Noseeum

If our impact on global warming was so clear and simple, then we would not still be sitting around researching this stuff. To call it a "fact" is overestimating the knowledge that we currently have. The climate of the earth is going to change no matter what we do. Or did the big bad oil companies cause the extinction of the dinosaurs too?

Please reread my post.

Fact: Greenhouse gases create temperature inversions. Trapping in warm air that cannot escape which then cause a rise in temperature.

Fact: Ice melts at above 32 degrees

A rise in global temperatures results in ice to melt, changes in weather patterns, and the long-term occurrence could result in current animal species, resources, etc. to be depleted.

What scientists, promoters of, and their opposites debate is if the impact is irreversible, if the climatic changes we are experiencing are out of the norm (which they aren't) and if human action is solely to blame for this occurrence.

**chunko** · 02-28-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 37L1

Sure he does. He counters his energy usage by purchasing carbon credits.

Doesn't everyone?

That one makes me laugh. (not that you're wrong. Just that paying money makes excess pollution okay....which just happens to be one way he stands to profit from this...being a middle man in carbon credit trading.)

Noseeum · 02-28-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kronos1965

Someone stating that Greenhouse gases cause a warming affect upon the climate and the continued occurrence of that effect could result in global temperatures being unnaturally raised and melting the ice isn't a scare tactic.

It's a fact.

That some don't like how certain politicians explain it/use it for their agendas doesn't make global warming any less of a real threat.

That in the past, the earth has certainly seen climatic eras in which the temperatures were higher than now or lower than now is not the issue. That humans are creating the situation is.

I did read your post, I believe it states pretty clearly that you said "It's a Fact."

**chunko** · 02-28-2008, 01:40 PM

I'm not totally clear on the issue, but when volcanoes erupt, they release a buttload of CO2 into the air...and I mean a buttload.

Seems that the earth has some way of balancing out C02 spikes...or we'd all be crispy critters right now.

Of course, this is speaking from logic only, I'm too lazy to research this.

Noseeum · 02-28-2008, 01:41 PM

The earth has a pretty decent carbon fixing cycle.

37L1 · 02-28-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by adavis99

I'm not totally clear on the issue, but when volcanoes erupt, they release a buttload of CO2 into the air...and I mean a buttload.

Seems that the earth has some way of balancing out C02 spikes...or we'd all be crispy critters right now.

Of course, this is speaking from logic only, I'm too lazy to research this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa

http://arstechnica.com/journals/scie.../2006/2/9/2815

http://www.dnr.mo.gov/energy/cc/cc6.htm

**Kronos1965** · 02-28-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Noseeum

If our impact on global warming was so clear and simple, then we would not still be sitting around researching this stuff. To call it a "fact" is overestimating the knowledge that we currently have. The climate of the earth is going to change no matter what we do. Or did the big bad oil companies cause the extinction of the dinosaurs too?

Yes, I say it's a fact. Greenhouse gases raise temperatures.

37L1's posts also confirm that.

That the climate may change naturally would be okay. The natural ebb and flow of those changes wouldn't be the issue.

That the climate changes because we accelerate the process is not.

The dinosaurs died out because of a variety of factors, volcanic eruptions, earth impact by meteor and then the resulting climate change...

Oil companies came in to turn the dinosaur goo into petroleum after that-darn profiteers!

**Overide** · 02-28-2008, 02:58 PM

stop arguing hippy.

**Kronos1965** · 02-28-2008, 03:05 PM

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stop arguing hippy.

I'm hanging up my headband and tie dye shirt now

Noseeum · 02-28-2008, 03:14 PM

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I'm hanging up my headband and tie dye shirt now

Lol, I guess "Peace" is an appropriate declaration now.

KINGMADE · 02-28-2008, 03:19 PM

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I know this is a bad attitude, but I'm not gonna be around to worry about it, so I don't much care. Let my great great great great great grandkids worry. If they want to be pissed off at me for it, let them.

From the guy that used to dump motor oil on the dirt road outside his parents house not knowing he was slowly killing them.

BayStateSuks · 02-28-2008, 03:29 PM

From a purely heat transfer perspective, it takes a lot of heat (and I mean a lot) to increase the overall temperature of the earth. Sure it is easy to heat up air in a tire or a balloon, but the total air volume of the earth is simply so large that to increase the overall temperature even 0.1 degree C, it takes a lot of heat input. Likely far more than we are pumping out or causing from greenhouse emissions. This doesn't even take into effect the cooling effect from surface water, moisture in clouds and the like. Just too many variables to adopt an accurate "system."

As an aside, forest fires and volcanoes are a natural event and release huge amounts of CO2 and nasty other hydrocarbon gases into the air. They have been going on forever and have not affected the earth detrimentally on a permanent basis.

I would love for "climate change" to be happening as I am about to get snowed on for the fourth time in 2 weeks.