does not deserve to be president

[matthews]

Originally Posted by TallTexan

Franklin did not have planes and telephones to deal with. He had no suit case nukes or suit case toxins that can kill hundreds of thousands of people. I wonder if old Franklin and his buds were sitting in the pub drinking a few beers and overheard some guy having a private conversation going on about killing the President. Would he just walk away or grab the guy and stretch his neck. I guess he could have got a warrant and came back the next night and waited for him to say the same thing again.
Times are different and we need to adjust when we can. My scanner picks up half the wireless telephones in my neighborhood and I could listen anytime I wished. I got better things to do. I think most folks understand that over the air phones are not secure. If they don't, we just need to tell them and keep trying to catch the bad guys.

Damn, do YOU have suit case nukes and toxins in your 'hood? You're a regular Jack Bauer!

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by matthews

Damn, do YOU have suit case nukes and toxins in your 'hood? You're a regular Jack Bauer!

Yea, We in Texas always keep a couple of each. Jack

[roy365]

Here...ya'll may enjoy this if it hasnt been added in here yet!!!!

[SpiritOne]

Oh I wish I could keep mouth shut... or fingers taped together in this case...

This thread is perfect example of why I don't come here often. But I'm here now, so you will all now be subjected.

We are now at 4000 casualties in the war in Iraq, and while that number is not high in comparison to previous wars, a lot of that has to do with advances in medical technology. We are saving guys on the battlefield that would have died in wars past. The real tragedy of that is though, they are coming home to a VA that is stripped of funding, so they are not getting the follow up help they need, their lives are suffering. We cannot afford this war.

Those of you who think our economy is strong need to pull your heads out of your asses. I'm sorry for being blunt, but there is no other way around saying that one. YOU PERSONALLY might be ok. Right now, I'm ok. But our dollar is plummeting in the foreign market, and that will affect you eventually. With so much of our goods being produced overseas now, export taxes on other countries are going to start to rise to help offset the plummeting dollar. They want their money, and if ours is worthless, they will start to demand more of it. For crying out loud, the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar right now. The only thing saving our asses in import/export with a majority of things is the dreaded NAFTA. With so much manufacturing moved to Mexico, thankfully we don't pay import taxes on it. Part of our dollar falling is why the price of oil keeps rising. Its worth noting OPEC has been saying they may move the official oil exchange to the European market since the Euro is so much stronger than the dollar. Our falling dollar is part of us spending billions daily on a war we cannot afford. Oh yes, I know the war against terrorists is important, but at the cost of driving us into depression? At some point, we are going to have to weigh our options.

The rising costs of fuel may not be hurting all of you, but it will soon. Ever see those signs "If you bought it, a truck brought it". Everything you buy in this country is brought in on a diesel truck. Looked at the price of Diesel lately? Makes me glad they didn't make a diesel Titan yet. If the cost of Diesel keeps rising, its going to effect the cost of everything else you buy, from food to clothing to entertainment goods.

Make no mistake, a recession is coming. If its not effecting you yet, then your well off apparently, but its already effecting me, and I considered myself upper middle class. We traded my wifes car in on a Sentra and shes milking the crap out of her accelerator in an attempt to keep getting 30+ mpgs out of it. No more SUV for her, got a lower payment too. I'm hoping that will lower my monthly expenditures enough that it wont get tight, and we don't get forced into a bad situation. Please don't overlook the problem just because your well off, thats irresponsible. By the way, whats the Feds fix for combating inflation? Print more money. Yep because that has always worked in the past right (see 1778 America and 1920s-30s Germany).

As far as Obama and a flag. All I know is I would hate to run for President. I can't imagine the crap I would get caught doing. Scratching my butt, pulling the earwax out. I don't put my hand over my heart either, because I was taught (by the Marines) that in civilian clothing you stand at attention during the pledge and the Star Spangled Banner. As far as the flag goes though, I do believe its a symbol, and as a symbol it can and SHOULD be used. Thats why I'm against an amendment to burn the flag in protest. There are things that need to be protested sometimes, and sometimes those things can be so terrible and in such violation of the constitution that the only way to reach your target audience (the morons in washington) is to attack their symbol. It sucks, and Ive never actually burned a flag in protest of anything. But if they try to ban it, you can expect to see me there, because that is worth it.

I see so many people try to bring so many things into this election that don't belong. Racism, hatred, religion, these are things that don't belong in an election. Yet they keep being brought up. I know some of you guys are STAUNCH republicans and you have me pegged for some kind of hippie liberal (even though I explained why I am not and what I am before), but I think its really funny how the GOP has this magical like quality to it. They have literally thrown up a veil in the eyes of their most fevered voting group, the evangelicals. They sit down with them, talk about the church and religion and make references to homosexuals burning in hell, and get them all to stand in line and vote on command. The reality is the GOP is not the party of the individual, they are the party of big business. Thats who they care about, thats who they support first and foremost, and that is who they will vote for over you every day of the week. Do you know why republicans are against gay marriage? Heres a hint, think big business and insurance benefits. How much more money will companies have to pay if they give heterosexual like benefits to their gay employees partners? Oil was $36/barrel 8 years ago. Now its $107/barrel. On top of that, Exxon posted record profits for an American company. That tells me, that yes, the cost of oil went up, and they used that (along with everyone else) as an excuse to price gouge. Because if they were still making the same kind of profit as they were 8 years ago, gas should not have gone up as much as it has. But does our Texas oil President step in to investigate? No. When asked about the potential of $4/gallon gasoline over the summer he acted dumbfounded like he hadn't heard about it, even though it was all that had been talked about for weeks.

Now I'm going to say something that will absolutely villainize myself in the eyes of pretty much everyone who calls themselves a Republican. Why is the GOP the party of big business? Its all Ronald Regans fault. WHAT!?!?! Spirit NO!! Don't say anything bad about Ron Regan, hes like a Republican God!! I know, but its the truth. In his campaign to stamp out Communism (which he did btw) he single handedly handed this country over to big business. He spent the Commies to death with a remarkable feat of capitalism. However in the process, he opened the door for big business to gain way too much influence in politics, especially on the side of the GOP.

Anyways its late, and I just came here to see what was going on. See if I could find out some info on the Sentra stereo for my wife and I ended up dragging myself into this wonderful political conversation. I fully expect rholland to lay into just about everything I said, that is if he doesn't have a heart attack after reading the Regan thing. Adavis, my hats off to you, I don't think I could continue to post near as much as you did in this thread, or anywhere near as nicely as you did.

[bbomar]

[roy365]

I guesss this guy thinks the whole world is going to change with the election of Mr. Barrack Husein Obama? The economy will be the same if worse, there will still be violence and war efforts, fuel will keep rising. It doesnt just change overnight with the election of another ploitical party. He is not the answer for America.

[rholland]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Oh I wish I could keep mouth shut... or fingers taped together in this case...

This thread is perfect example of why I don't come here often. But I'm here now, so you will all now be subjected.

I fully expect rholland to lay into just about everything I said, that is if he doesn't have a heart attack after reading the Regan thing. Adavis, my hats off to you, I don't think I could continue to post near as much as you did in this thread, or anywhere near as nicely as you did.

Your right, I agree with nothing you said.
You apparently long for some type of socialist system, were the government owns all business, and were all your wants are met by the state.
Well North Korea is needing some good citizens, why don’t you check them out, might be a good move for you.

You do still have the Titan, can't be that bad.

[37L1]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Oh I wish I could keep mouth shut... or fingers taped together in this case...

This thread is perfect example of why I don't come here often. But I'm here now, so you will all now be subjected.

We are now at 4000 casualties in the war in Iraq, and while that number is not high in comparison to previous wars, a lot of that has to do with advances in medical technology. We are saving guys on the battlefield that would have died in wars past. The real tragedy of that is though, they are coming home to a VA that is stripped of funding, so they are not getting the follow up help they need, their lives are suffering. We cannot afford this war.

Those of you who think our economy is strong need to pull your heads out of your asses. I'm sorry for being blunt, but there is no other way around saying that one. YOU PERSONALLY might be ok. Right now, I'm ok. But our dollar is plummeting in the foreign market, and that will affect you eventually. With so much of our goods being produced overseas now, export taxes on other countries are going to start to rise to help offset the plummeting dollar. They want their money, and if ours is worthless, they will start to demand more of it. For crying out loud, the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar right now. The only thing saving our asses in import/export with a majority of things is the dreaded NAFTA. With so much manufacturing moved to Mexico, thankfully we don't pay import taxes on it. Part of our dollar falling is why the price of oil keeps rising. Its worth noting OPEC has been saying they may move the official oil exchange to the European market since the Euro is so much stronger than the dollar. Our falling dollar is part of us spending billions daily on a war we cannot afford. Oh yes, I know the war against terrorists is important, but at the cost of driving us into depression? At some point, we are going to have to weigh our options.

The rising costs of fuel may not be hurting all of you, but it will soon. Ever see those signs "If you bought it, a truck brought it". Everything you buy in this country is brought in on a diesel truck. Looked at the price of Diesel lately? Makes me glad they didn't make a diesel Titan yet. If the cost of Diesel keeps rising, its going to effect the cost of everything else you buy, from food to clothing to entertainment goods.

Make no mistake, a recession is coming. If its not effecting you yet, then your well off apparently, but its already effecting me, and I considered myself upper middle class. We traded my wifes car in on a Sentra and shes milking the crap out of her accelerator in an attempt to keep getting 30+ mpgs out of it. No more SUV for her, got a lower payment too. I'm hoping that will lower my monthly expenditures enough that it wont get tight, and we don't get forced into a bad situation. Please don't overlook the problem just because your well off, thats irresponsible. By the way, whats the Feds fix for combating inflation? Print more money. Yep because that has always worked in the past right (see 1778 America and 1920s-30s Germany).

As far as Obama and a flag. All I know is I would hate to run for President. I can't imagine the crap I would get caught doing. Scratching my butt, pulling the earwax out. I don't put my hand over my heart either, because I was taught (by the Marines) that in civilian clothing you stand at attention during the pledge and the Star Spangled Banner. As far as the flag goes though, I do believe its a symbol, and as a symbol it can and SHOULD be used. Thats why I'm against an amendment to burn the flag in protest. There are things that need to be protested sometimes, and sometimes those things can be so terrible and in such violation of the constitution that the only way to reach your target audience (the morons in washington) is to attack their symbol. It sucks, and Ive never actually burned a flag in protest of anything. But if they try to ban it, you can expect to see me there, because that is worth it.

I see so many people try to bring so many things into this election that don't belong. Racism, hatred, religion, these are things that don't belong in an election. Yet they keep being brought up. I know some of you guys are STAUNCH republicans and you have me pegged for some kind of hippie liberal (even though I explained why I am not and what I am before), but I think its really funny how the GOP has this magical like quality to it. They have literally thrown up a veil in the eyes of their most fevered voting group, the evangelicals. They sit down with them, talk about the church and religion and make references to homosexuals burning in hell, and get them all to stand in line and vote on command. The reality is the GOP is not the party of the individual, they are the party of big business. Thats who they care about, thats who they support first and foremost, and that is who they will vote for over you every day of the week. Do you know why republicans are against gay marriage? Heres a hint, think big business and insurance benefits. How much more money will companies have to pay if they give heterosexual like benefits to their gay employees partners? Oil was $36/barrel 8 years ago. Now its $107/barrel. On top of that, Exxon posted record profits for an American company. That tells me, that yes, the cost of oil went up, and they used that (along with everyone else) as an excuse to price gouge. Because if they were still making the same kind of profit as they were 8 years ago, gas should not have gone up as much as it has. But does our Texas oil President step in to investigate? No. When asked about the potential of $4/gallon gasoline over the summer he acted dumbfounded like he hadn't heard about it, even though it was all that had been talked about for weeks.

Now I'm going to say something that will absolutely villainize myself in the eyes of pretty much everyone who calls themselves a Republican. Why is the GOP the party of big business? Its all Ronald Regans fault. WHAT!?!?! Spirit NO!! Don't say anything bad about Ron Regan, hes like a Republican God!! I know, but its the truth. In his campaign to stamp out Communism (which he did btw) he single handedly handed this country over to big business. He spent the Commies to death with a remarkable feat of capitalism. However in the process, he opened the door for big business to gain way too much influence in politics, especially on the side of the GOP.

Anyways its late, and I just came here to see what was going on. See if I could find out some info on the Sentra stereo for my wife and I ended up dragging myself into this wonderful political conversation. I fully expect rholland to lay into just about everything I said, that is if he doesn't have a heart attack after reading the Regan thing. Adavis, my hats off to you, I don't think I could continue to post near as much as you did in this thread, or anywhere near as nicely as you did.

LMFAO!!!!!

Hope you feel better now.

Catharsis is good for you. While you are at it why not complete the job so you can hang out with us more often?

[rholland]

WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR???

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://************/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://************/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

[daptech]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

.....................
I see so many people try to bring so many things into this election that don't belong. Racism, hatred, religion, these are things that don't belong in an election...........................

If a person's religion influences their attitude on social issues, then
it should be discussed. Like it or not if Obama gets the nomination,
there is going to be a lot of talk about Black Liberation Theology.
The Republicans will be sure to let you know that some of
the principles, in their opinion, have a socialist slant.
http://www.campusactivism.org/akreid...s/libtheo1.txt

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Oh I wish I could keep mouth shut... or fingers taped together in this case...

This thread is perfect example of why I don't come here often. But I'm here now, so you will all now be subjected.

We are now at 4000 casualties in the war in Iraq, and while that number is not high in comparison to previous wars, a lot of that has to do with advances in medical technology. We are saving guys on the battlefield that would have died in wars past. The real tragedy of that is though, they are coming home to a VA that is stripped of funding, so they are not getting the follow up help they need, their lives are suffering. We cannot afford this war.

Those of you who think our economy is strong need to pull your heads out of your asses. I'm sorry for being blunt, but there is no other way around saying that one. YOU PERSONALLY might be ok. Right now, I'm ok. But our dollar is plummeting in the foreign market, and that will affect you eventually. With so much of our goods being produced overseas now, export taxes on other countries are going to start to rise to help offset the plummeting dollar. They want their money, and if ours is worthless, they will start to demand more of it. For crying out loud, the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar right now. The only thing saving our asses in import/export with a majority of things is the dreaded NAFTA. With so much manufacturing moved to Mexico, thankfully we don't pay import taxes on it. Part of our dollar falling is why the price of oil keeps rising. Its worth noting OPEC has been saying they may move the official oil exchange to the European market since the Euro is so much stronger than the dollar. Our falling dollar is part of us spending billions daily on a war we cannot afford. Oh yes, I know the war against terrorists is important, but at the cost of driving us into depression? At some point, we are going to have to weigh our options.

The rising costs of fuel may not be hurting all of you, but it will soon. Ever see those signs "If you bought it, a truck brought it". Everything you buy in this country is brought in on a diesel truck. Looked at the price of Diesel lately? Makes me glad they didn't make a diesel Titan yet. If the cost of Diesel keeps rising, its going to effect the cost of everything else you buy, from food to clothing to entertainment goods.

Make no mistake, a recession is coming. If its not effecting you yet, then your well off apparently, but its already effecting me, and I considered myself upper middle class. We traded my wifes car in on a Sentra and shes milking the crap out of her accelerator in an attempt to keep getting 30+ mpgs out of it. No more SUV for her, got a lower payment too. I'm hoping that will lower my monthly expenditures enough that it wont get tight, and we don't get forced into a bad situation. Please don't overlook the problem just because your well off, thats irresponsible. By the way, whats the Feds fix for combating inflation? Print more money. Yep because that has always worked in the past right (see 1778 America and 1920s-30s Germany).

As far as Obama and a flag. All I know is I would hate to run for President. I can't imagine the crap I would get caught doing. Scratching my butt, pulling the earwax out. I don't put my hand over my heart either, because I was taught (by the Marines) that in civilian clothing you stand at attention during the pledge and the Star Spangled Banner. As far as the flag goes though, I do believe its a symbol, and as a symbol it can and SHOULD be used. Thats why I'm against an amendment to burn the flag in protest. There are things that need to be protested sometimes, and sometimes those things can be so terrible and in such violation of the constitution that the only way to reach your target audience (the morons in washington) is to attack their symbol. It sucks, and Ive never actually burned a flag in protest of anything. But if they try to ban it, you can expect to see me there, because that is worth it.

I see so many people try to bring so many things into this election that don't belong. Racism, hatred, religion, these are things that don't belong in an election. Yet they keep being brought up. I know some of you guys are STAUNCH republicans and you have me pegged for some kind of hippie liberal (even though I explained why I am not and what I am before), but I think its really funny how the GOP has this magical like quality to it. They have literally thrown up a veil in the eyes of their most fevered voting group, the evangelicals. They sit down with them, talk about the church and religion and make references to homosexuals burning in hell, and get them all to stand in line and vote on command. The reality is the GOP is not the party of the individual, they are the party of big business. Thats who they care about, thats who they support first and foremost, and that is who they will vote for over you every day of the week. Do you know why republicans are against gay marriage? Heres a hint, think big business and insurance benefits. How much more money will companies have to pay if they give heterosexual like benefits to their gay employees partners? Oil was $36/barrel 8 years ago. Now its $107/barrel. On top of that, Exxon posted record profits for an American company. That tells me, that yes, the cost of oil went up, and they used that (along with everyone else) as an excuse to price gouge. Because if they were still making the same kind of profit as they were 8 years ago, gas should not have gone up as much as it has. But does our Texas oil President step in to investigate? No. When asked about the potential of $4/gallon gasoline over the summer he acted dumbfounded like he hadn't heard about it, even though it was all that had been talked about for weeks.

Now I'm going to say something that will absolutely villainize myself in the eyes of pretty much everyone who calls themselves a Republican. Why is the GOP the party of big business? Its all Ronald Regans fault. WHAT!?!?! Spirit NO!! Don't say anything bad about Ron Regan, hes like a Republican God!! I know, but its the truth. In his campaign to stamp out Communism (which he did btw) he single handedly handed this country over to big business. He spent the Commies to death with a remarkable feat of capitalism. However in the process, he opened the door for big business to gain way too much influence in politics, especially on the side of the GOP.

Anyways its late, and I just came here to see what was going on. See if I could find out some info on the Sentra stereo for my wife and I ended up dragging myself into this wonderful political conversation. I fully expect rholland to lay into just about everything I said, that is if he doesn't have a heart attack after reading the Regan thing. Adavis, my hats off to you, I don't think I could continue to post near as much as you did in this thread, or anywhere near as nicely as you did.

I think you missed the point. The picture had nothing to do with Hussein sitting next to the flag. The point is the telephone he is using to simulate him being on the hot line at 3 am in the morning. I can hear him now---hello--hello---hello---hello--, I guess he hung up! I know I will sleep better!

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by rholland

WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR???

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://************/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://************/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

Don't confuse a liberal with facts.

[chunko]

Originally Posted by SpiritOne

Oh I wish I could keep mouth shut... or fingers taped together in this case...

This thread is perfect example of why I don't come here often. But I'm here now, so you will all now be subjected...

Anyways its late, and I just came here to see what was going on. See if I could find out some info on the Sentra stereo for my wife and I ended up dragging myself into this wonderful political conversation. I fully expect rholland to lay into just about everything I said, that is if he doesn't have a heart attack after reading the Regan thing.

Nice Post!

Let the begin