does not deserve to be president - Page 52

TallTexan · 04-15-2008, 01:13 PM

Vietnam was a democrats war fought like a bunch of pussies. I was there and seen the stupid crap comming out of Washington. They did not want to fight a real war just play at it. Problem was it was not them getting their arse shot up. Bill Clinton is somes hero and thats great. He is a lying idiot that would rather switch than fight. Everyone knows that. GW is hated because he decided to fight and that pissed off the liberals who who would rather quit first.

To talk about things during the 60's having not been there is not worth the energy. That was a crazy time. I can see some simularities with the Iraq war in so much as the anti-war crowd. Face it, some would never fight, no matter what.

Spirit had some good points, see soldiers don't want to go to war. They must go to war. To keep us free, our enemies must know that if the President says he will fight, he can back it up. If our enemies know that they can stop him by getting the anti-war crowd protesting and running for Canada, then we will cease to be a major power. We will be a paper Tiger. So if you don't want to serve, stay home. Always need someone to sew uniforms for the men who do.

**roy365** · 04-15-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by helomech

I will have to look it up, but I read some where that he is against guns. They were talking about it on the news the other day, and that is why hillary went to a gun range and fired a gun, and then said she carries a gun all the time.

Whoa......that is totally opposite of what I have read and heard.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24122833

Scroll down to the interactive part. Maybe i misread?

**helomech** · 04-15-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by roy365

Whoa......that is totally opposite of what I have read and heard.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24122833

Scroll down to the interactive part. Maybe i misread?

Here is one I found, it was the first one that popped up when I searched. I will do some more searching.

http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_...es/002894.html

**helomech** · 04-15-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by roy365

Whoa......that is totally opposite of what I have read and heard.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24122833

Scroll down to the interactive part. Maybe i misread?

On this link scroll down to the Presidential candidates on gun control block, and the click on Obama. This is what it says.

• Sen. Barack Obama
Voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to suit. Also, as Illinois state lawmaker, supported ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms.

**roy365** · 04-15-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by helomech

Here is one I found, it was the first one that popped up when I searched. I will do some more searching.

http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_...es/002894.html

that one touches on his views on the semi-autos that i mentioned earlier it looks like. This was while he was Illinois lawmaker. Like i said it should be interesting for the PA primary.

TallTexan · 04-15-2008, 01:27 PM

Obama is the classic liberal running for office. Some of his statements have been , concealed guns ok for retired police officers. OK to sue gun manufacturers. Ban assault weapons. OK for cities to ban handguns. Says he supports 2nd amandment with his own ideas. Stop gun show loopholes. Anybody that thinks their guns would be safe with this guy in office don't really own or want to own a gun.

**roy365** · 04-15-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TallTexan

Obama is the classic liberal running for office. Some of his statements have been , concealed guns ok for retired police officers. OK to sue gun manufacturers. Ban assault weapons. OK for cities to ban handguns. Says he supports 2nd amandment with his own ideas. Stop gun show loopholes. Anybody that thinks their guns would be safe with this guy in office don't really own or want to own a gun.

that was what i was thinking.....wishy washy. but he seems a bit less aggressive than Hillary on this issue.

**helomech** · 04-15-2008, 01:30 PM

Here is another one, just atleast read the title if nothing else.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...ed_for_ru.html

TallTexan · 04-15-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by roy365

that was what i was thinking.....wishy washy. but he seems a bit less aggressive than Hillary on this issue.

You might be right. Probably need to bury your guns if either of these two rascals gets in.

**roy365** · 04-15-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by helomech

Here is another one, just atleast read the title if nothing else.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...ed_for_ru.html

Wonder how that evening ended?

**helomech** · 04-15-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by roy365

Wonder how that evening ended?

I am not sure, I just thought it was funny obamas wife says its ok for us rural people to have guns. Boy statements like that P*** me off.

rholland · 04-15-2008, 02:00 PM

We went to Vietnam, to stop the expansion of communism though out Southeast Asia. We were honoring a treaty that was just as viable as any treaty we had with England or any other country.
I went in June 1965 thu 1967. The war was run by politicians

During the Vietnam war, thugs found that they could rob a bank or armorered car, and if caught, raise ther fist, and protest the war, and young lawyers from Yale and Harvard would line up to defend them for free. The media would come and show their pictures on TV, as war protesters.

In 1945 the United States government signed a treaty with the South Vietnamese
government, and in 1961 (under JFK) we were called on to honor that treaty. No war, other than the Civil War, has ever divided this nation like the Vietnam War. The govermnent first sent advisors, and then they sent river patrol boats, and helicopters with support crews. The U. S. position drastically changed on h4arch 8, 1965, with the introduction of U. S. ground forces. When U.S. forces arrived in Vietnam, they took over the majority of the fighting for the South Vietnamese.
With the escalating cost in human life and dollars, popular support for the war dwindled fast. In
1973 the U. S. pulled out of South Vietnam and allowed the North Vietnamese Communist to take over.
The first American casualty of the Vietnamese war was Major A. Peter Dewey. He was the nephew of New York Governor and presidential candidate Thomas Dewey and the son of a Chicago millionaire. He graduated fiom Yale University where he studied French history and culture. He was an officer in the OSS, assigned to Saigon at the end of World War 11. Major Dewey was killed in an ambush in Saigon on September 26, 1945, by Ho Chi Minh's communist guerrilla fighters. When Ho Chi Minh heard that an American Officer had been killed by his fighters, he sent an emissary to the OSS headquarters in Hanoi to apologize. But the deed had been done (Manning 27).

SpiritOne · 04-15-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Obama

and we should be able to enforce laws that keep guns off the streets in inner cities because some unscrupulous gun dealer is, you know, letting somebody load up a van with a bunch of cheap handguns or sawed-off shotguns and dumping them and selling them for a profit in the streets."

Because you know, these things are legal now right? And taking away the guns of people who buy them legally are really going to curb this kind of thing. Not.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Obama

'Boy, it's really pretty up here,' but she said, 'But you know, I can see why if I was living out here, I'd want a gun. Because, you know, 911 is going to take some time before somebody responds. You know what I mean? You know, it's like five miles between every house.'

And they can respond faster in the city? What about traffic and detours and problems? So its ok for people in the country to own a gun, but not people in the city? The problem there becomes what defines country and city. I live in a rural area, but its very close to a bigger city. Am I in the city or country? I look at it as in the country, but someone else might look at it and say, but your kids go to the school in the city, your city.

You CAN'T make these kinds of poorly worded statements. Freedom for some is not freedom for all. This country is about freedom for all. Weather those freedoms be owning a gun, marrying the PERSON you choose or simply being able to say I think this politician SUCKS, freedom, is freedom.

I hope I have just ingratiated myself with the political right. Enjoy it, this is probably the only thing we stand eye to eye on, except maybe capitol punishment. I was watching a news story this morning about a Louisiana man on death row for the rape of an 8 year old girl. The Supreme Court wants to rule on the case. They damn well better rule in favor of lighting the guy up on the chair. To make matters worse, it was his stepdaughter. A person she is supposed to trust like a father. As a father of a 7 year old girl, if something terrible like that happened to her and the state didn't off this guy, Id probably have my 2nd amendment right taken away from me, because there would be little to stop me from ending his pathetic and worthless life.

**chunko** · 04-15-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TallTexan

GW is hated because he decided to fight and that pissed off the liberals who who would rather quit first.

Says the man with absolutely no clue about why GW is hated...

kman · 04-15-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by adavis99

Says the man with absolutely no clue about why GW is hated...

go easy on him, hee haw hee haw he always talks that way.