does not deserve to be president

[matthews]

Originally Posted by kman

go easy on him, hee haw hee haw he always talks that way.

[rholland]

Originally Posted by adavis99

Says the man with absolutely no clue about why GW is hated...

GW is hated because, the Dems in congress, with the liberal media and George Soros (the man with Billions to spend aganist America), have told us every day, for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, that GW lied, and tricked them into voting to go to war, and all they had to do was vote to not fund the war, and it would have to end, but they have no guts.

Soros said, a couple of years ago, that the Democratic party belong to him, bought and paid for, he also said that the USA and democry, had served it's purpose, and was time to be over.

Soros also says that Obama is my man. He also just gave 40 million dollars to a group, to start running attack ads against McCain.

Obama is the most left wing Senator in congress, if he wins, and he might, be prepared for a big move to the left, which the private ownership of guns will be no more.

We need a third party

[rholland]

And while I'm on the soap box, I was aganist the Iraq war before it started, but after going though the Vietnam war, I know, once started, the only option is, to win.

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by adavis99

Says the man with absolutely no clue about why GW is hated...

He is hated because he did what Bill Clinton said had to be done. He did what Hillary said had to be done. He did what most in Congress said had to be done. That was his problem. He did it. The rest talk and moan. Bush also had the problem of calling himself a Christian. That alone brought the wolves out.

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by rholland

And while I'm on the soap box, I was aganist the Iraq war before it started, but after going though the Vietnam war, I know, once started, the only option is, to win.

You know, I think most was against that Iraq war. Most were against Vietnam. Heck, in 65 when I first went over, we thought this was going to be a 6 month ordeal. There was no real fighting until September and I think the Marines from the 1st did not get there till November. Was no PBR's, just RAGS. I think in some ways we thought that once they saw the mighty American Army, they would give up. No way, just pissed them off more. The point is, we were up to our arse in aligators before we realized what was really going to happen. I think Iraq was a lot like that. We knew we could pretty much walk right thru them but what happend next was something we did not plan for.

Now we can all sit back and with our wonderful hindsite, lay all the blame. rholland, as you know and God knows, I don't want any mans sons to have to go through this stuff. We just better be ready to fight in our streets if we don't do the job over there.

[kman]

Originally Posted by rholland

And while I'm on the soap box, I was aganist the Iraq war before it started, but after going though the Vietnam war, I know, once started, the only option is, to win.

i was for the war before it started because i honestly believed in the misinformation. Knowing now that the facts for going to war where baseless and the plan was written on s-hit paper, i still don't believe that we can just pull out either. However someone needs to be held accountable for this treasonous failure and they need to be hung from the highest tree for it.

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by kman

i was for the war before it started because i honestly believed in the misinformation. Knowing now that the facts for going to war where baseless and the plan was written on s-hit paper, i still don't believe that we can just pull out either. However someone needs to be held accountable for this treasonous failure and they need to be hung from the highest tree for it.

Kman, thousands of men died in WW1, WW11, Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait and others, because someone messed up. There were more soldiers killed in one day in WW11 than all of the Iraq war. War is a *****. Folks want to hang somebody if things don't turn out like they want. If we screw up, we get our arse eat out or even fired. Those guys screw up, people die. If I knew that there were going to be all these weekend quarterbacks comming after me if I mess up, you could not pay me enough money to be a President, General or anyone else in authority. At little league the other day, there was no one to keep score. I told them I did not know how but would do the best I can. All during the game, these same parents who refused to keep score was constantly asking the score and when I told them I had not totaled everything, they were complaining to the umpire that I might be messing up. Believe that! There will always be the ones who refuse to do anything but will blast anyone who tries to do his job. I don't like everything GW does either, but at least he stepped up to the plate.

[TallTexan]

This discussion about Obamma is wearing me out. I better go back to work.

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by rholland

GW is hated because, the Dems in congress, with the liberal media and George Soros (the man with Billions to spend aganist America), have told us every day, for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, that GW lied, and tricked them into voting to go to war, and all they had to do was vote to not fund the war, and it would have to end, but they have no guts.

1. Show me WMD in Iraq
2. Show me the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq

and I will gladly state that GWB is not a liar.

I take it you would rather believe GWB than Colin Powell?

[rholland]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

1. Show me WMD in Iraq
2. Show me the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq

and I will gladly state that GWB is not a liar.

I take it you would rather believe GWB than Colin Powell?

Every intelligence outfit in the world, including, Russia, Israel, and England, said he had WMDs.
We ceased action in the first Gulf War, based on a cease fire agreement that he would comply with the UN resolutions, Sadam did not do what he had agreed to do, so that along was enough to go back after him.
Before Sadam was hung, he told us that he had led everyone to believe that he had WMDs because he was afraid that Iran might attack Iraq.
I was against trying to start a democracy in Iraq, because I don’t believe that you can fight a war for someone else’s democracy, they have to want it bad enough to fight for it themselves, and we should support them.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

1. Show me WMD in Iraq
2. Show me the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq

and I will gladly state that GWB is not a liar.

I take it you would rather believe GWB than Colin Powell?

So everyone in congress that voted for it including hillary clinton lied also. Why are you only picking out Bush?

[daptech]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

1. Show me WMD in Iraq
.....................

They found a few old artillery shells left over from the
Iran-Iraq War that contained chemical. Does that count.

[TallTexan]

I remember listening to Bill Clinton saying he had the weapons. Wonder where he got his info. I bet he was the one who told Bush. Now we know.

[rholland]

Originally Posted by daptech

They found a few old artillery shells left over from the
Iran-Iraq War that contained chemical. Does that count.

We have also found modern Russian aircraft wrapped and buried in the sand. There might be a lot of things buried in the dessert.
That is beside the point now, we have to finish this now that we are there.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp

The al Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad in Iraq, a sandy wasteland surrounded by high dunes off the main Baghdad-to-Jordan highway, was the focus of intense search-and-destroy activity after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003; its vast desert spaces were thought to be a likely location for missile launchers or aircraft from which chemical or biological strikes against U.S. troops might be launched.

What military search teams eventually found at al Taqqadum, in July 2003, were remnants of the Iraqi Air Force as pictured above: a reported 30 to 40 planes, including several MiG-25 and Su-25 ground attack jets, buried more than 10 feet beneath tons of soil and covered with camouflage netting. According to the Pentagon, at least one of the MiG-25s was found because searchers spotted its twin tail fins protruding from the sand. Some of the planes had been wrapped in plastic sheeting to protect their electronics and machinery from the sand (and some had had their wings removed), but others were interred with little or no protection from the sand or the elements. The recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the aircraft.

The discovery at al Taqqadum was not announced to the public until a month later, in a press briefing delivered by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld:

[TitanBlue]

That was the first I'd seen those planes. Great post and fascinating thread guys. You're support does not go unnoticed.