does not deserve to be president

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Originally Posted by TallTexan

It could get a lot scarier! Obama will never fight even after terrorists come across his open borders and set off a couple of nukes. He will have Jesse investigate it and ask the UN to help us. This guy is a fake and has a hidden agenda. He might get elected but we all will pay the price. I remember watching millions of Germans cheering Hitler. We know the end to that story.

And you know this because??? I guess he does resemble Hitler. I mean, he does talk about ruling the world, and that only people that look like him are ok, and that Jews suck...yeah, they're pretty similar. Wait, no they don't. They're not at all alike.

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Originally Posted by rholland

We've had the best economy that we have had in twenty years, the lowest un-employment, and the lowest interest rates.
NBC, CBS and ABC News tells us every day how bad we have it, and like a bunch of mind numbed robots, we just keep repeating it.

Artificially low interest ratess which drove up housing prices and our now set to burst.

Low unemployment with more uninsured working poor than ever poor.

Is that really the best barometer of a "strong" economy?

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Originally Posted by bmbroker

Working in mortgages, I know the corrossive effects of bureaucracy and thus I am turned off by any plan that creates an added layer.

rholland, I work in the mortgage industry also. The proposed bailout plans scare hell out of me. Aready way too much government in the industry.

I agree the bailout is bullsh*t. Housing prices are too high, the government bailout is just a bandaid to try and hold off a recession until elections are over. Recessions are always bad news for incumbents .

[rholland]

WASHINGTON — Civil rights leader John Lewis has dropped his support for Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid in favor of Barack Obama, according to a newspaper report Wednesday.

The rats are leaving the sinking ship

[rholland]

Originally Posted by adavis99

Nah, my mainstream wallet says that.

Oil Man in office. Invade Oil Producing Country on really sketchy evidence, and minimal links to terror, Price of Oil Sky Rockets. Oil Companies and Halliburton see record profits.

I like to follow the money. And the FACT that this war has made both Bush and Cheney much more wealthy, does not sit well with me. Especially given the shakey foundation on which this war was waged.

My wallet is doing real good here in Texas, maybe it is your liberal socialist state.

I know that you prefer lifetime professional politicians, But I prefer business
people in office.
The price of oil is high because of Opec and world oil demand. And you can’t blame Opec, they want to get as much for their oil as they can. Opec owes you and I nothing. The oil companies are for profit businesses and the American companies are 71% own by 401K and other retirement plans.
The funny thing is that a lot of people have no understanding of were oil comes from. They tell us that we can't drill in Alaska, offshore Washington, offshore Oregon, offshore California, Off the East Coast, off Florida. That leaves offshore Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. But then these same people, (you) wants gasoline at a cheap price. No wonder the companies are leaving the states, to get away from the idiocy of the people here.

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Originally Posted by rholland

My wallet is doing real good here in Texas, maybe it is your liberal socialist state.

I know that you prefer lifetime professional politicians, But I prefer business
people in office.
The price of oil is high because of Opec and world oil demand. And you can’t blame Opec, they want to get as much for their oil as they can. Opec owes you and I nothing. The oil companies are for profit businesses and the American companies are 71% own by 401K and other retirement plans.
The funny thing is that a lot of people have no understanding of were oil comes from. They tell us that we can't drill in Alaska, offshore Washington, offshore Oregon, offshore California, Off the East Coast, off Florida. That leaves offshore Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. But then these same people, (you) wants gasoline at a cheap price. No wonder the companies are leaving the states, to get away from the idiocy of the people here.

I prefer lifetime politicians? Thanks for the update. I'm pretty sure I've stated just the opposite several times but now I know where I stand....heh heh.




Supply and Demand is a huge factor, and I would never argue that Bushy is solely responsible for increased oil prices. Also, my dad runs a small power company in California and we often "talk shop"...I'm well aware of the idiotic hippy ideas on power (ooh man, we can just like, totally use solar power and stuff...yeah man...that'll be great...dumb hippies) However, the Iraq war has definitely increased the price of oil. 1) Iraq's oil output is crap now, it used to pump a few barrells more per day IIRC. 2) Oil is a hugely speculative commodity and the futures market really drives the price. War in the middle east adds uncertainty to future supply and drives up current prices. High oil prices are good for the oil companies.

I'm not arguing that Bush is solely responsible...just that he's a contributing factor to, and benefits from, high oil prices.

[Tmaxxattack]

Originally Posted by adavis99

Yup, kill enough thousands of Iraqi's and we will have peace and have saved them from Saddam who killed thousands of Iraqis.

I'd say after we've killed about 100,000...we might have some peace...wait..by some estimates we're already there. Iraq is not like Germany or Japan. I see no happy ending in their future. They are a divided country and we're (through military force, not democracy) the only thing holding them together...and before us, it was a cruel dictator...and after us...it will be civil war...and the winners will "elect" a cruel dictator to beat down the other resisting parties.

I said nothing about killing Iraqi citizens. 100,000 seems to be a number touted by the media machine and the global America haters members - not sure of any real accuracy to the number. They never care to report who actually did the killing, the terrorists or the Americans or how many were actually terrorists hiding behind the pretense of or actual Iraqi citizenry. In fact I'd be willing to be we've taken out more non-Iraqi terrorists than we have actual Iraqi terrorists and that the terrorists have killed many more actual Iraqi citizens than our military. We've never intentionally targeted the citizens of Iraq. The Iraqi government does need to realize they will soon need to take responsibility for their own country's security and future. The ending is uncertain however the ending from a quick exit is certain.

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Originally Posted by Tmaxxattack

I said nothing about killing Iraqi citizens. 100,000 seems to be a number touted by the media machine and the global America haters members - not sure of any real accuracy to the number. They never care to report who actually did the killing, the terrorists or the Americans or how many were actually terrorists hiding behind the pretense of or actual Iraqi citizenry. In fact I'd be willing to be we've taken out more non-Iraqi terrorists than we have actual Iraqi terrorists and that the terrorists have killed many more actual Iraqi citizens than our military. We've never intentionally targeted the citizens of Iraq. The Iraqi government does need to realize they will soon need to take responsibility for their own country's security and future. The ending is uncertain however the ending from a quick exit is certain.

Terrorist weren't in Iraq until we came in though...at least not al-queida....Saddam hated them.

[rholland]

Originally Posted by adavis99

I prefer lifetime politicians? Thanks for the update. I'm pretty sure I've stated just the opposite several times but now I know where I stand....heh heh.




Supply and Demand is a huge factor, and I would never argue that Bushy is solely responsible for increased oil prices. Also, my dad runs a small power company in California and we often "talk shop"...I'm well aware of the idiotic hippy ideas on power (ooh man, we can just like, totally use solar power and stuff...yeah man...that'll be great...dumb hippies) However, the Iraq war has definitely increased the price of oil. 1) Iraq's oil output is crap now, it used to pump a few barrells more per day IIRC. 2) Oil is a hugely speculative commodity and the futures market really drives the price. War in the middle east adds uncertainty to future supply and drives up current prices. High oil prices are good for the oil companies.

I'm not arguing that Bush is solely responsible...just that he's a contributing factor to, and benefits from, high oil prices.

I work for Halliburton for 30 1/2 years, retired in Jan 1999, and was District Manager in So. Calif., **** Cheney was my last boss. I have a different view of him and the industry than you.
I have worked in the public school system in Texas for the last 8 years. I am beginning to see how public systems work,
want more, waste more, get more.

Terrorist weren't in Iraq until we came in though...at least not al-queida....Saddam hated them.

And you got that information where??? Liberal Media.

[Doola36]

[quote=rholland]I have worked in the public school system in Texas for the last 8 years. I am beginning to see how public systems work,
want more, waste more, get more.
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I have to agree with that statement.....

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Originally Posted by rholland

I work for Halliburton for 30 1/2 years, retired in Jan 1999, and was District Manager in So. Calif., **** Cheney was my last boss. I have a different view of him and the industry than you.
I have worked in the public school system in Texas for the last 8 years. I am beginning to see how public systems work,
want more, waste more, get more.


And you got that information where??? Liberal Media.

Are you serious? Bush himself couldn't come up with a link between Al-queida and Saddam. You're joking right?

As for government, yeah...it's screwed up, especially in terms of waste, in lots of places...but what's your point? I spend every day doing what little I can to push fiscal responsibility and accountability in my little corner of the world. It's frustrating to see how money is wasted in Government, and it is difficult to change, but not impossible.

You can b*tch about it, or try to make it better.

[TallTexan]

Originally Posted by adavis99

And you know this because??? I guess he does resemble Hitler. I mean, he does talk about ruling the world, and that only people that look like him are ok, and that Jews suck...yeah, they're pretty similar. Wait, no they don't. They're not at all alike.

You are right! Take a listen at the Church that he is a member of. Check out how they feel about whitey. Maybe see how Louis Farachan is one of their heroes. Again he does not honor the Pledge, the flag and his wife is only proud of Hussein. Yes, he does resemble Hitler to me. Maybe a hero to others. I am sure Hitler was a hero to quite a few. Even the children were brainwashed to fight and die at 12-13 years old. I would bet somewhere at Harvard there is copy of Mein Kamph with Husseins finger prints on it .

[skyhammer]

Originally Posted by adavis99

And you know this because??? I guess he does resemble Hitler. I mean, he does talk about ruling the world, and that only people that look like him are ok, and that Jews suck...yeah, they're pretty similar. Wait, no they don't. They're not at all alike.

Actually, Tall Texan made a good point. The far left that has taken over the Democrat Party is endorsing Fascist economic policies.
Let me explain.
The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and especially against individualism in a free market economy. There agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit making, progressive taxation of capital, and rigidly secular schools.
Do any of those policies sound familiar?
Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership of the means of production. They just wanted to call the shots as to how business would be run.
They were for industrial policy long before the liberals coined the phrase in the U.S.
The whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.
During the 20's, progressives in the U.S. and Britain recognized the kinship with those of Mussolini, who was widely admired by the left.
Prominent Socialist H.G Wells called for Liberal Fascism, saying " the world is sick of parliamentary politics."
George Bernard Shaw expressed his admiration for Mussolini as well as for Hitler and Stalin, because "they did things, instead of just talk."
In Germany, the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither which was part of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.
W.E.B Dubois(whom Obama likes to quote), was so taken with the Nazi movement, that he put swastikas on the cover of the magazine he edited, despite complaints from his Jewish readers.
Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933, DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was " absolutely necessary in order to get the state in order".
Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their brutal military aggressions in the 30's, did the left distance themselves.
In short, during the 20's and early 30's, Fascism was not only looked upon favorably by the left but was recognized as having kindred ideas, agendas and assumptions.
All you have to do is view Clinton's and Obamas web site and you will see that the economic policies they are proposing come right out of the Fascist economic play book.

[rholland]

Today, on my way home from work, I was listening to the news, Fox.
It seems that the women who have been fainting at the Obama rallys, are part of his entourage, and are there just to faint.
Are you sure that Bill Clinton is not running the Obama campaign?

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Originally Posted by skyhammer

Actually, Tall Texan made a good point. The far left that has taken over the Democrat Party is endorsing Fascist economic policies.
Let me explain.
The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and especially against individualism in a free market economy. There agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit making, progressive taxation of capital, and rigidly secular schools.
Do any of those policies sound familiar?
Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership of the means of production. They just wanted to call the shots as to how business would be run.
They were for industrial policy long before the liberals coined the phrase in the U.S.
The whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.
During the 20's, progressives in the U.S. and Britain recognized the kinship with those of Mussolini, who was widely admired by the left.
Prominent Socialist H.G Wells called for Liberal Fascism, saying " the world is sick of parliamentary politics."
George Bernard Shaw expressed his admiration for Mussolini as well as for Hitler and Stalin, because "they did things, instead of just talk."
In Germany, the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither which was part of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.
W.E.B Dubois(whom Obama likes to quote), was so taken with the Nazi movement, that he put swastikas on the cover of the magazine he edited, despite complaints from his Jewish readers.
Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933, DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was " absolutely necessary in order to get the state in order".
Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their brutal military aggressions in the 30's, did the left distance themselves.
In short, during the 20's and early 30's, Fascism was not only looked upon favorably by the left but was recognized as having kindred ideas, agendas and assumptions.
All you have to do is view Clinton's and Obamas web site and you will see that the economic policies they are proposing come right out of the Fascist economic play book.

Skyhammer, how the hell you doing buddy? Hopefully the T*ndra (I thnk that word gets bleeped on here) is treating you well.

I think me and you have different dictionaries when it comes to fascism:

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

That sounds way more like the radical right than the radical left to me. Just because the fascists were also in favor of more, vs less governmental controls...does not make the hippy liberals fascists. Although I have seen the far right throwing that word a lot lately to describe democrats...makes me laugh.

Seems it's more applicable the other way around:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Although I'd say it's a f*ckin huge leap either way.