water4gas???? - Page 2

BayStateSuks · 03-12-2008, 12:30 PM

Also see

http://www.auto-facts.org/water4gas-scam.html

import2nr · 03-12-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BayStateSuks

HHO is not the same as water (H2O). In H2O, each of the hydrogens is bonded to the Oxygen through a covalent bond. In HHO ("magnecule oxyhydrogen"), the two hydrogens are supposedly bonded together (which is just weird). I do not believe HHO has ever been isolated - it is a fleeting species produced when high current is passed through water vapor.

In terms of energy, in theory breaking the H-H bond could release a lot (similar to what is released by combusting hydrogen, e.g., the Hindenburg).

I dont know what you said but does this mean that this could actually work?

**Overide** · 03-12-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by anmut

I sent my money! QUESTION on your product, sir. If I have 567,899,467,686hp to the rear wheels, will I need TruTrac? Also, how does this compare to UpRev?

You will need a locking rear differential with that much horsepower but instead of spending hundreds on a TruTrac, you can buy my solar powered electric locking differential for just 99.95!!! This locking differential does not need to be wired into your truck and you can install it using only a pair of plyers in your own driveway!!!

Uprev is using antiquated 3 megabit software, while mine uses 2 gigabit software!!!!

BayStateSuks · 03-12-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by import2nr

I dont know what you said but does this mean that this could actually work?

I seriously doubt this will work based on generation of HHO. In theory, you could electrolyze water into oxygen and hydrogen and supply that to the engine to burn. There would be major issues as far as timing as the hydrogen is likely to detonate prematurely (as compared to ignition of the gasoline) during operation of the engine. Some extreme knocking would likely result but perhaps could be compensated for by the ECU.

I would suggest staying away from it. If it worked that well, at least one of the auto manufacturers would be using it already. Just my $.02.

**anmut** · 03-12-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Overide

You will need a locking rear differential with that much horsepower but instead of spending hundreds on a TruTrac, you can buy my solar powered electric locking differential for just 99.95!!! This locking differential does not need to be wired into your truck and you can install it using only a pair of plyers in your own driveway!!!

Uprev is using antiquated 3 megabit software, while mine uses 2 gigabit software!!!!

Sold!! I'm also looking for some sort of gas saving device. I'd like to be able to get at least 50mpg with my truck in the city. I believe I saw on another website that you sell a sail of some sorts that attached to my grill? Question - do I need a full mast for installation or will my super-chrome-ghetto-blaster-abs plastic grille guard work?

Oh and if you get around to it, I'd like the cost of your 4billion lumen HID lights.

import2nr · 03-12-2008, 03:03 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YFGhZNxdyDY&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yfr-YXNEN0g&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qERz2jzaMo4&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qgL8Gxz8Io0&feature=related

technorev · 03-12-2008, 06:32 PM

Here you go, look at applications about half way through the article and talks about HH0 at the end of the article - interesting reading though! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown%2...#Brown.27s_gas

**anmut** · 03-12-2008, 09:40 PM

Anytime a "kit" involves a mason jar with hole cut in the lid, well you don't have a new fuel delivery system. You have a retards insect jar.

technorev · 03-13-2008, 03:59 PM

That last youtube link was very interesting. Fox news was listing a story on it and claims one auto maker and the government is interested.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qgL8Gxz8Io0&feature=related

Maybe it's time to buy stock in Sparklets!!!

splocal · 04-02-2008, 04:04 PM

Allot of skeptics but maybe some of you should try something before you talk @#$%# about it! You shouldn’t have to buy that water for gas manual for 99 buck that’s a rip off, but the free info is out there. Water is made of 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen the perfect combination for combustion, I have done allot of experimenting making electrolysis cells or water cells and with a simple 12 volt system you can make a powerful fuel! I filled a balloon with hydrogen using this kind of process and blew it up! Let me say it was freakin scary, don’t do it in the house!!! The gas is very powerful, and yes there could be some timing issues if you are producing enough gas as it does burn faster than gasoline. Hydrogen burns faster and more completely than gasoline which is very inefficient. Check out myth busters they did some sort of test like this. In my opinion it was not done correctly but they do inject pure hydrogen into the engine and it runs. A normal combustion engine can run very well on hydrogen with a simple timing change, spark closer to top dead center. The problem is actually with the ECU and O2 sensor, the extra O2 produced by the "HHO" tells your ECU that you have more air and to adjust the air fuel mixture back to a 17 to 1 air fuel mixture, thus making the engine run rich and counteracting the whole point. A device can trick your O2 sensor and ECU but its kinda risky you dont want to run too lean. Basically it is totally do able! I had a small system in my tundra and got an extra 25miles to the TANK not a whole lot but did help Iam waiting to make a larger system for my titan. Take a science class

technorev · 04-02-2008, 04:24 PM

I've been searching around the net on HHO and Brown's Gas. There are quite a few out there that are producing the gas. Do a search it is impressive. Guys are claiming 25% better gas mileage with a gas/hho mix. I think the MAF sensor needs to be tricked to adapt to our use. Looks doable.

daptech · 04-02-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by splocal

.................The gas is very powerful..............

I know......I worked with hydrogen in a chemical plant.
It likes to leak & catch on fire.

MR_X · 04-02-2008, 05:39 PM

I remember when that was on the news when I lived in SoCal last year.

SpiritOne · 04-03-2008, 01:09 AM

you sure we cant get someone to try this out on a beater or something?

Quartz · 04-03-2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by splocal

Take a science class

I have. If you electrolyze water and then burn the resulting H2 and O2 you get approximately 1.02 times more energy from the H2 and O2 that it takes to separate them. However, this assumes you have a perfectly efficient system of electrolyzing the water. A 2% gain is less than you can get from driving conservatively and a mayonnaise jar electrolysis system is not perfectly efficient.

Like I said before.... If this worked they wouldn't need a website. They would need armed guards to keep people away.