water4gas????

[matthersh]

I have a 2004 nissan titan and am setting up water4gas. I have done lots of research on the subject and am pretty sure it can work. But i have one problem I have to install something to the air fuel ratio sensor and need to know which is the signal wire that goes to the ecm. I will let every one know how it works.

[gringo88]

I've read of there being some corrosion related issues with the hydrogen. shouldn't be anything an e85 truck can't handle

[Maxvdub62]

[quote=greasy]Hey guys, check this out.



That design patent was bought from Paul pantone the inventor of GEET


just look up geet on youtube

[Quartz]

Whether it blows up engines or not, corrodes parts or not, leaks of not, etc. etc., the basic problem is that it takes more energy to break the hydrogen/oxygen bond in water than you are getting back from recombining it.
Come on guys. If this really worked nightly news would be all over it. Everybody in the entire country would be getting one. There would be threads asking where you could get one of these because they were sold out everywhere. WE would be starting threads about what mods you could do to it to get an extra 6 of 7 hp out of our engines.

P.T. Barnum was right.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by Quartz

Whether it blows up engines or not, corrodes parts or not, leaks of not, etc. etc., the basic problem is that it takes more energy to break the hydrogen/oxygen bond in water than you are getting back from recombining it.
Come on guys. If this really worked nightly news would be all over it. Everybody in the entire country would be getting one. There would be threads asking where you could get one of these because they were sold out everywhere. WE would be starting threads about what mods you could do to it to get an extra 6 of 7 hp out of our engines.

P.T. Barnum was right.

Exactly, it sounds like some think the increased load on the alternator will not affect gas consumption. The increased load on the alternator will more than likely cause more gas to be burned than is being produced by the contraption.

[import2nr]

another working vehicle with it

LINK to VIDEO http://www.mysanantonio.com/multimed...tid=1564557037
Link to Story http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met....131e4416.html
I-Team: Hydrogen generator that increases gas mileage being tested in S.A.

Web Posted: 05/20/2008 11:35 PM CDT

Barry Davis
KENS 5 Eyewitness News

The national average for unleaded gasoline is more than $3.75 per gallon and is expected to go higher.
Unless you're driving a hybrid vehicle, you are likely spending almost twice as much on gas as you were just two years ago.


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But what if there was a way to cut gas expenses by as much as 50 percent by doing something as simple as turning on your kitchen faucet?

Scientists in San Antonio are testing a hydrogen generator that could dramatically raise your fuel efficiency. Some scientists, however, say it just doesn't wash.

"You can't get something for nothing. And starting with water is a very difficult way to get energy," said Dr. Charlie Roberts, with the Southwest Research Institute.

The technology to produce hydrogen gas is actually about 100 years old. Through electrolysis, two molecules of hydrogen are separated from the one molecule of oxygen in H20 (water). The relatively new use is burning the elements separately to supplement gasoline.

It seems almost futuristic to take water from your faucet and put it into a generator under your vehicle's hood and drive away.

"We tested several vehicles in New Jersey last month and the numbers were like fiction, you know — 80 miles per gallon with a 4-cylinder Honda, 80 miles per gallon with a 4-cylinder Ford Focus," said professional mechanic Steve Gerhlein. "This system doesn't do anything more than help stretch the gasoline dollar by converting water with a chemical, which is potassium hydroxide mixed up in a special proportion. And then it makes hydrogen and oxygen that the engine then uses as a fuel."

Gerhlein, a professional mechanic for more than 30 years, was so intrigued by what he read about hydrogen generators that he put one on his wife's Lexus.

Without the hydrogen generator, Gerhlein said the Lexus, running on super unleaded, got about 14 miles per gallon. With the hydrogen generator the vehicle gets about 19 miles per gallon. By tweaking the computer to accept the extra fuel, Gerhlein says the truck now gets 26 miles per gallon.

"We know it works on my wife's truck for about a 40 percent increase in gas mileage without the computerization," Gerhlein said. "The work that I do is concentrating on hydrogen used in more traditional engines, like we drive every day," Roberst said.

Roberts has worked on making hydrogen a fuel source for years. He says while hydrogen by itself is too expensive, when used with gasoline it does have promise.

"If you use a small amount of hydrogen there's a chance, and I think this is what many of us are looking for toward the future,” Roberts said.

Gerhlein believes this new technology is literally days away.

"All your liability is you have to clean out this canister probably once every six months, and you may have to clean the actual electrolysis producing cell out maybe once a year," Gerhlein said.

Drivers also have to add very inexpensive chemicals with the water to create the hydrogen gas.

There are plans for hydrogen generators all over the Internet. However, Gerhlein says 98 percent of them won't produce enough hydrogen to help much.

None of them come with a computer to help today's car read and understand the additional source of fuel except the one he is researching. Gerhlein's hydrogen generator costs $1,500 to have installed in your vehicle.

"But if you're driving from Pipe Creek to San Antonio every day, and you can make it run at double the gas mileage for $1,500, our research says that after 11,000 miles, the system’s paid for itself. And the system runs an indefinite period of time," Gerhlein said.

There could be a couple of other benefits, too. According to Gerhlein, burning hydrogen also cleans out the engine, has less toxic emissions and would pass Environmental Protection Agency standards.

Roberts says that is possible, but it is also possible that the hydrogen generator could burn worse.

"Today, just putting a device onto the engine, without changing the engine in a more drastic way, about 5 percent fuel economy improvement is the best I would expect," Roberts said.

The Southwest Research Institute is testing the hydrogen generator, and Gerhlein says if researchers tell him it's for real, maybe it won't be long before you can have one under your hood.

"Americans won World War II with people who invented things when they needed them, at that time. We've been to the moon. We've been the space race leaders for years. Our aircraft are the best there is because Americans will find a way around a bad situation, and there's a lot of folks working on this right now. And somebody's going to pop the right unit out into the populace to do exactly what we're talking about today," Gerhlein said.

For more information, e-mail Gerhlein at steve.gerhlein@cambridgeauto.com.

[helomech]

Originally Posted by import2nr

another working vehicle with it

LINK to VIDEO http://www.mysanantonio.com/multimed...tid=1564557037

I-Team: Hydrogen generator that increases gas mileage being tested in S.A.

Web Posted: 05/20/2008 11:35 PM CDT

Barry Davis
KENS 5 Eyewitness News

The national average for unleaded gasoline is more than $3.75 per gallon and is expected to go higher.
Unless you're driving a hybrid vehicle, you are likely spending almost twice as much on gas as you were just two years ago.


advertisement



But what if there was a way to cut gas expenses by as much as 50 percent by doing something as simple as turning on your kitchen faucet?

Scientists in San Antonio are testing a hydrogen generator that could dramatically raise your fuel efficiency. Some scientists, however, say it just doesn't wash.

"You can't get something for nothing. And starting with water is a very difficult way to get energy," said Dr. Charlie Roberts, with the Southwest Research Institute.

The technology to produce hydrogen gas is actually about 100 years old. Through electrolysis, two molecules of hydrogen are separated from the one molecule of oxygen in H20 (water). The relatively new use is burning the elements separately to supplement gasoline.

It seems almost futuristic to take water from your faucet and put it into a generator under your vehicle's hood and drive away.

"We tested several vehicles in New Jersey last month and the numbers were like fiction, you know — 80 miles per gallon with a 4-cylinder Honda, 80 miles per gallon with a 4-cylinder Ford Focus," said professional mechanic Steve Gerhlein. "This system doesn't do anything more than help stretch the gasoline dollar by converting water with a chemical, which is potassium hydroxide mixed up in a special proportion. And then it makes hydrogen and oxygen that the engine then uses as a fuel."

Gerhlein, a professional mechanic for more than 30 years, was so intrigued by what he read about hydrogen generators that he put one on his wife's Lexus.

Without the hydrogen generator, Gerhlein said the Lexus, running on super unleaded, got about 14 miles per gallon. With the hydrogen generator the vehicle gets about 19 miles per gallon. By tweaking the computer to accept the extra fuel, Gerhlein says the truck now gets 26 miles per gallon.

"We know it works on my wife's truck for about a 40 percent increase in gas mileage without the computerization," Gerhlein said. "The work that I do is concentrating on hydrogen used in more traditional engines, like we drive every day," Roberst said.

Roberts has worked on making hydrogen a fuel source for years. He says while hydrogen by itself is too expensive, when used with gasoline it does have promise.

"If you use a small amount of hydrogen there's a chance, and I think this is what many of us are looking for toward the future,” Roberts said.

Gerhlein believes this new technology is literally days away.

"All your liability is you have to clean out this canister probably once every six months, and you may have to clean the actual electrolysis producing cell out maybe once a year," Gerhlein said.

Drivers also have to add very inexpensive chemicals with the water to create the hydrogen gas.

There are plans for hydrogen generators all over the Internet. However, Gerhlein says 98 percent of them won't produce enough hydrogen to help much.

None of them come with a computer to help today's car read and understand the additional source of fuel except the one he is researching. Gerhlein's hydrogen generator costs $1,500 to have installed in your vehicle.

"But if you're driving from Pipe Creek to San Antonio every day, and you can make it run at double the gas mileage for $1,500, our research says that after 11,000 miles, the system’s paid for itself. And the system runs an indefinite period of time," Gerhlein said.

There could be a couple of other benefits, too. According to Gerhlein, burning hydrogen also cleans out the engine, has less toxic emissions and would pass Environmental Protection Agency standards.

Roberts says that is possible, but it is also possible that the hydrogen generator could burn worse.

"Today, just putting a device onto the engine, without changing the engine in a more drastic way, about 5 percent fuel economy improvement is the best I would expect," Roberts said.

The Southwest Research Institute is testing the hydrogen generator, and Gerhlein says if researchers tell him it's for real, maybe it won't be long before you can have one under your hood.

"Americans won World War II with people who invented things when they needed them, at that time. We've been to the moon. We've been the space race leaders for years. Our aircraft are the best there is because Americans will find a way around a bad situation, and there's a lot of folks working on this right now. And somebody's going to pop the right unit out into the populace to do exactly what we're talking about today," Gerhlein said.

For more information, e-mail Gerhlein at steve.gerhlein@cambridgeauto.com.

If you want, I can show you where people claim to have built a carberator that gets 400mpg.

[bestatchess]

Originally Posted by import2nr

Gerhlein, a professional mechanic for more than 30 years, was so intrigued by what he read about hydrogen generators that he put one on his wife's Lexus.

Without the hydrogen generator, Gerhlein said the Lexus, running on super unleaded, got about 14 miles per gallon. With the hydrogen generator the vehicle gets about 19 miles per gallon. By tweaking the computer to accept the extra fuel, Gerhlein says the truck now gets 26 miles per gallon.

"We know it works on my wife's truck for about a 40 percent increase in gas mileage without the computerization," Gerhlein said.

I didn't know Lexus made a truck.

[bestatchess]

[quote=Maxvdub62]

Originally Posted by greasy

Hey guys, check this out.



That design patent was bought from Paul pantone the inventor of GEET


just look up geet on youtube

a/k/a The Fuel Injected Lunatic

[import2nr]

Originally Posted by helomech

If you want, I can show you where people claim to have built a carberator that gets 400mpg.

I've already seen it
thanks anyway

[helomech]

Originally Posted by import2nr

I've already seen it
thanks anyway

Man I really wish you the best of luck with this endevor. I would just really hate to see a fellow titan owner mess up his truck for a gimmick. Hopefully I am wrong and you are right about this. Time will tell, but from what I know there is no way you can produce enough hydrogen with a 12 volt system to make any amount worth dealing with.

[import2nr]

Originally Posted by helomech

Man I really wish you the best of luck with this endevor. I would just really hate to see a fellow titan owner mess up his truck for a gimmick. Hopefully I am wrong and you are right about this. Time will tell, but from what I know there is no way you can produce enough hydrogen with a 12 volt system to make any amount worth dealing with.

i appreciate the luck and i my self am not working on anything as of yet. if i do depends on how ( i forgot the guys name) system turns out... he is working on one.. he posted the he was working on one a page or two ago... i am by no means a sientist all i see is that alot of people are doing this mod to there vehicle and have success .. whether it be 4 mpg increase or 20mpg increas its an increase ...

[ffn8]

so a few people have stated that they are trying this.

Any updates?

If no one has an update we can assume 1 of 2 things.

They blew up...

or...

the US government and or oil industry (OPEC) offed them, whacked them, eliminated them or how ever you want to put it.

but seriously if anyone has an update that would be great. I would be interested in trying this on my civic once I get the truck next month, but im just not ready to die.

[SpiritOne]

Well, I was talking to my dad the other day, and he must have stumbled across their webpage, because he is going to try it.

He has a 2004-05 (not sure) Dodge RAM 1 ton diesel dually with the big Cummins in it. Not sure if he is going to test it on that truck or not. He said he wanted to test it and if it works he would build more (including one for me, at which point I was cringing). Not sure if hes going to test it on his dodge, or on a gasoline engine. He has a chevy panel van he uses for his AC business too, not to mention a big chevy moving van type thing.

He seems to think that if it works hes going to put it in everything. Even his cessna.

Ill let you know if he blows himself up.

[import2nr]

any updates to whom ever is working on one of these systems ?