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Old 05-11-2008, 09:55 PM   #16
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I beleive you have your story mixed up. McCain says he will remove the gas tax, obama say he will lower the price of gas, and hillary wants the oil company to pay the tax. LOL
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I beleive you have your story mixed up. McCain says he will remove the gas tax, obama say he will lower the price of gas, and hillary wants the oil company to pay the tax. LOL

Nope-I've got the story straight...

are feeling at the pump. It's a brilliant political move, but it's lousy public policy.

McCain's proposal would suspend the 18.4-cent tax on gasoline (and the 24.4-cent levy on diesel fuel) from Memorial Day until Labor Day. He also called on the federal government to stop adding to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, thereby easing demand for oil. His announcement came as crude oil futures hit a record $113.93 a barrel and the average price of gasoline stood at $3.38 a gallon.

"The effect will be an immediate economic stimulus - taking a few dollars off the price of a tank of gas every time a family, a farmer, or trucker stops to fill up," McCain said during a speech in which he laid out his economic policy. "And because the cost of gas affects the price of food, packaging, and just about everything else, these immediate steps will help to spread relief across the American economy."

So McCains' proposal will remove the gas tax thereby lowering the demand for oil and thereby lowering the price of oil...in his own words.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:11 PM   #18
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Nope-I've got the story straight...

are feeling at the pump. It's a brilliant political move, but it's lousy public policy.

McCain's proposal would suspend the 18.4-cent tax on gasoline (and the 24.4-cent levy on diesel fuel) from Memorial Day until Labor Day. He also called on the federal government to stop adding to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, thereby easing demand for oil. His announcement came as crude oil futures hit a record $113.93 a barrel and the average price of gasoline stood at $3.38 a gallon.

"The effect will be an immediate economic stimulus - taking a few dollars off the price of a tank of gas every time a family, a farmer, or trucker stops to fill up," McCain said during a speech in which he laid out his economic policy. "And because the cost of gas affects the price of food, packaging, and just about everything else, these immediate steps will help to spread relief across the American economy."

So McCains' proposal will remove the gas tax thereby lowering the demand for oil and thereby lowering the price of oil...in his own words.

He plans on doing just that, that is what I said. Obama is against that, and says he will lower the price of gas. Just how is he going to do that? I don't agree with McCain on everything, I just don't agree with obama on anything. I don't see anything different from what you posted here, and I posted a few posts back.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:50 PM   #19
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New to board but reading since I bought my Titan april 07 (20000 trouble free miles and the only truck I've had that I enjoy since my 97 f150 - they both handle - 2003 and 5 silverados in between). Anyway, I have to chime in as an American on this post. Anyone who believes in the American way has to consider their vote very carefully this time around. Our country is in a precarious position as we all know. Even as a staunch conservative, I was intially enamored by Obama, but as things have unfolded I know that I must vote by party even though I don't like the republian candidate. Every American needs to ask themselves the question: "Who would the framers of our constitution vote for in this election?" Which party selectively supports the constitutional ammendments while seeking to change those (ie #2) which don't equate with their plans for a perfect socialism, i mean union. We need change, but I think we are safer with republican status quo than the sweeping liberal changes Obama and Clinton will bring.
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We need a large reserve because right now our economy depends on oil.

We need high oil prices because we need to stop depending on oil.

Easing off the gas tax will only increase demand for oil, combine that with a decrease in our strategic oil reserves, and we are all the more at the mercy of opec. (Translation, current oil problem is made worse over the long term)

It is in the long term interest of our country for gasoline to be more expensive. Short term, it will hurt...bad.

While globalization has done a lot to help the 3rd world, I truly believe it's time we refocus on domestic issues.
We need to be energy independent.
We need to focus on creating our own educational capital, rather than leasing it from India and China.
We need to focus on the root cause of immigration problems (e.g. welfare, employers)
We need to focus on sound economic policy that does not continue to deflate the value of the dollar.
We need to focus on an effective way to decrease the amount of resources we are wasting in the middle east.
We need to focus on issues besides guns, abortions, and gay rights. Let the status quo be for now, and lets focus on some other issues that are more pressing. Gays can live without marriage, Liberals will survive without taking away everybody's guns...etc. There are bigger fish to fry!!!

I'm not sure how this gas tax repeal solves a damn thing...it's a pure and simple publicity stunt and while I disagree with Obama on many, many things, I applaud him for calling this out for what it is....a PR stunt.
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We need a large reserve because right now our economy depends on oil.

We need high oil prices because we need to stop depending on oil.

Easing off the gas tax will only increase demand for oil, combine that with a decrease in our strategic oil reserves, and we are all the more at the mercy of opec. (Translation, current oil problem is made worse over the long term)

It is in the long term interest of our country for gasoline to be more expensive. Short term, it will hurt...bad.

While globalization has done a lot to help the 3rd world, I truly believe it's time we refocus on domestic issues.
We need to be energy independent.
We need to focus on creating our own educational capital, rather than leasing it from India and China.
We need to focus on the root cause of immigration problems (e.g. welfare, employers)
We need to focus on sound economic policy that does not continue to deflate the value of the dollar.
We need to focus on an effective way to decrease the amount of resources we are wasting in the middle east.
We need to focus on issues besides guns, abortions, and gay rights. Let the status quo be for now, and lets focus on some other issues that are more pressing. Gays can live without marriage, Liberals will survive without taking away everybody's guns...etc. There are bigger fish to fry!!!

I'm not sure how this gas tax repeal solves a damn thing...it's a pure and simple publicity stunt and while I disagree with Obama on many, many things, I applaud him for calling this out for what it is....a PR stunt.


I say we pass a constitutional ammendment to allow "adavis99" to run for president!
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I say we pass a constitutional ammendment to allow "adavis99" to run for president!

You don't need an "ammendment" (sic) for that, maybe copious amounts of alcohol, but not an amendment.
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Old 05-12-2008, 06:01 AM   #23
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Re: McCain vs Obama

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We need a large reserve because right now our economy depends on oil.

We need high oil prices because we need to stop depending on oil.

Easing off the gas tax will only increase demand for oil, combine that with a decrease in our strategic oil reserves, and we are all the more at the mercy of opec. (Translation, current oil problem is made worse over the long term)

It is in the long term interest of our country for gasoline to be more expensive. Short term, it will hurt...bad.

While globalization has done a lot to help the 3rd world, I truly believe it's time we refocus on domestic issues.
We need to be energy independent.
We need to focus on creating our own educational capital, rather than leasing it from India and China.
We need to focus on the root cause of immigration problems (e.g. welfare, employers)
We need to focus on sound economic policy that does not continue to deflate the value of the dollar.
We need to focus on an effective way to decrease the amount of resources we are wasting in the middle east.
We need to focus on issues besides guns, abortions, and gay rights. Let the status quo be for now, and lets focus on some other issues that are more pressing. Gays can live without marriage, Liberals will survive without taking away everybody's guns...etc. There are bigger fish to fry!!!

I'm not sure how this gas tax repeal solves a damn thing...it's a pure and simple publicity stunt and while I disagree with Obama on many, many things, I applaud him for calling this out for what it is....a PR stunt.


I actually agree with you. If you could just get the gun grabbers (obama, and clinton) to leave us alone, then guns would not be my biggest issue.
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Tell me just how can the President change the price of fuel?

I was really just kidding.... But in reality, that issue is one of the biggest in the minds of voters this year. IF a candidate did have a decent plan I think it would go a long way in helping them get elected. But, as you elude to, it's not realistic for president to solve the issue.

He could certainly help though. Bush won't even talk about it (doesn't want to upset his oil buddies). You're hard pressed to find a news clip of him even addressing the problem or admitting it's a problem. To him and rest of big oil there is no 'problem' - This is the best thing they could ever hope for.
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You don't need an "ammendment" (sic) for that, maybe copious amounts of alcohol, but not an amendment.

First nominated for post of the year...copious ammounts of alcohol...LOL


Second, we would need an amendment, as I'm a bit on the young side.
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First nominated for post of the year...copious ammounts of alcohol...LOL


Second, we would need an amendment, as I'm a bit on the young side.


Even though you seem like a nice guy, you may just be a little to far to the left. But I would still vote for you over hillary, or obama.
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Old 05-12-2008, 10:06 AM   #27
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I actually agree with you. If you could just get the gun grabbers (obama, and clinton) to leave us alone, then guns would not be my biggest issue.

I don't think Hillary is all that for taking your guns away-can you site a source?

Balance lawful gun ownership & keeping guns from criminals. (Apr 2008)
Give local police access to federal gun tracking info. (Apr 2008)
Let states & cities determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers. (Jan 2008)
Backed off a national licensing registration plan on guns. (Jan 2008)
Get assault weapons & guns off the street. (Jul 2007)
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre. (Apr 2007)
FactCheck: VA Tech shooter not declared a danger to others. (Apr 2007)
Congress' failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run. (Nov 2003)
Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. (Sep 2000)
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs. (Sep 2000)
License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns. (Jun 1999)
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology. (Aug 2000)

I also don't think Barack is all that tough either when it comes to taking your guns away but he is certainly more restrictive that Hillary...

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
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Hillary wants photo id and handgun registration, and lock up all guns and ammo. http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Hi...un_Control.htm
I know there is alot more, but will take a little time.

This is all I need to post of obama.

http://www.sportsmenforobama.org/content/view/14/27/

He also voted to prosecute a man that defended his home during an invasion. The man shot and killed a person coming at him in his home.


More will follow.
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Old 05-12-2008, 10:44 AM   #29
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I don't think Hillary is all that for taking your guns away-can you site a source?

Balance lawful gun ownership & keeping guns from criminals. (Apr 2008)
Give local police access to federal gun tracking info. (Apr 2008)
Let states & cities determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers. (Jan 2008)
Backed off a national licensing registration plan on guns. (Jan 2008)
Get assault weapons & guns off the street. (Jul 2007)
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre. (Apr 2007)
FactCheck: VA Tech shooter not declared a danger to others. (Apr 2007)
Congress' failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run. (Nov 2003)
Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. (Sep 2000)
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs. (Sep 2000)
License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns. (Jun 1999)
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology. (Aug 2000)


Damn I hope that doesn't look like a gun friendly person to you. She wants to destroy the 2nd amendment. Where do I even begin. Sue manufacturers for selling a legal item. Lock up guns and ammo, lot of good that does in an emergency. water down sensible gun legislation I got a good idea what she means there. Get weapons off the street, it is already illegal for a felon to have a gun. Gun control doesn't protect our kids, I can site statistics all day for you if you really want. We already have enough laws, how can tougher gun control do any good, except to take away from the law abiding. So who decides who should not have guns? I will stop here for now, but this woman isn't much better than obama.
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Let Me just state none of the candidates are Stellar, but voting for Obama is handing your vote to the radical terrorists...May not agree with all of McCain's views (soft on the border, energy crisis, etc.), but absolutely cannot vote for Obama, just can't be part of giving our country away...and make no mistake, that is his plan......we as a country apparently need another Nine Eleven experience to wake up....my fear is that if Obama is elected-the reminder is coming that much quicker.....I absolutely agree with letting some of the letting some issue be shelved for the moment while we deal with the more pressing issues....not interested in rewritting the law right now (gay marriage, gun laws, Abortion laws, etc.), just my two cents-best of luck guys/gals...
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