Who is crazier ??

bestatchess · 06-30-2008, 07:07 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ran/index.html

Will Dubya attack Iran for making WMD? (deja-vu all over again - will we be looking back on the good old days when gas was only $5 per gallon?)

And then you have the Iranian general keeping the troops busy by digging 320,000 graves. "What's your dirt doing in Boss Khamenei's ditch?"

**Steelyeyedone** · 06-30-2008, 07:10 AM

IMO, Iran is a must. But, thats my opinion. They simply can not become the dominant power in the M.E.

tnbowhunter · 06-30-2008, 09:10 AM

So much for it being a "secret." Looks like Hersh let the cat out of the bag.
Hersh told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" that Congress has authorized up to $400 million to fund the secret campaign, which involves U.S. special operations troops and Iranian dissidents.

Looks like Bush plans on going out in a blaze of glory.
But you never know........... Israel just might beat us to the punch.

Riverratt · 06-30-2008, 09:37 AM

The graves they are digging will end up being their own.

HRTKD · 06-30-2008, 10:00 AM

The days of hoping the Iranian people would rise up and overthrow the mullahs are over. It isn't going to happen. When it looks like the elections aren't going their way the mullahs change the rules.

Israel could take out Iranian nuclear production facilities. But do they know all the locations? Will the attack completely destroy each facility? Supposedly the facilities are spread out and hardened. The U.S. won't have major objections to any attack by Israel. I suspect other countries won't object too much either. Remember, Israel did this to Iraq in the 80's. They also carried out a strike against Syria last year with no repercussions.

I don't see the U.S. invading Iran. But we might participate or help Israel do it. Any attack will negatively affect the price of oil. That is a significant limiting factor.

A regime change in Iran that produces a new government that has no ties to terrorist organizations (such as Hamas, Hezbollah, etc) and warms to the U.S. could cause a significant change in U.S. policy towards Iran. That would allow capital and trade to flow into Iran which could postively affect the price of oil.

baseballfanz · 06-30-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HRTKD

The days of hoping the Iranian people would rise up and overthrow the mullahs are over. It isn't going to happen. When it looks like the elections aren't going their way the mullahs change the rules.

Israel could take out Iranian nuclear production facilities. But do they know all the locations? Will the attack completely destroy each facility? Supposedly the facilities are spread out and hardened. The U.S. won't have major objections to any attack by Israel. I suspect other countries won't object too much either. Remember, Israel did this to Iraq in the 80's. They also carried out a strike against Syria last year with no repercussions.

I don't see the U.S. invading Iran. But we might participate or help Israel do it. Any attack will negatively affect the price of oil. That is a significant limiting factor.

A regime change in Iran that produces a new government that has no ties to terrorist organizations (such as Hamas, Hezbollah, etc) and warms to the U.S. could cause a significant change in U.S. policy towards Iran. That would allow capital and trade to flow into Iran which could postively affect the price of oil.

Israeli intelligence has always been top notch IMO. I doubt they would have any problems pinpointing locations to hit if that's what it come down to. They dont' need to hit all of them, just the key sites. If that happen, gas price gonna be crazy here.

**Arachnid** · 06-30-2008, 05:17 PM

I don't take everything reported as fact. It may just be propoganda designed to get Iran to react.

**Kronos1965** · 07-01-2008, 12:59 PM

Let's see.

We're in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan...

And we support Israel.

And now we may/may not be supporting attempts into Iran.

At some point, the Middle East Countries will start seeing us as the bad guy...oops too late.

A classic doctrine should be divide and conquer, not unite and face a larger opponent. No wonder Islamic-based countries have evidence to fear us.

Keep this up and we'll be just like Communism from Russia-they went bankrupt trying to spread their word across distant lands...

HRTKD · 07-01-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kronos1965

A classic doctrine should be divide and conquer, not unite and face a larger opponent. No wonder Islamic-based countries have evidence to fear us.

Keep this up and we'll be just like Communism from Russia-they went bankrupt trying to spread their word across distant lands...

So your best solution is to divide and conquer? It seems that we are doing that now by trying to keep the countries of Iran and Iraq divided so that Iran doesn't conquer Iraq.

Russia went bankrupt because their communist economy was a disaster and our capitalist economy was a success. We could outspend them and our message of democracy was better than communism.

stlblues · 07-02-2008, 06:26 AM

So where are we going to get the troops? We already have a major shortage with the occupations we have? Are they suggesting DRAFT. I know several people that are getting out as soon as they can and will do what ever not to get called back in. No one I've had contact with that has served in Iraq believes we should have been there to begin with. We are taking losses in Afganistan, just what we need is to be stretched even further.

HRTKD · 07-02-2008, 07:54 AM

I really doubt there will be an _invasion_ of Iran. Like you said, we don't have the troops.

I think we can all agree that Iran is working on the production of nuclear weapons. Given the equipment they have purchased and the statements they have made it is reasonable to assume they are actively working on it. There are estimates that they will have something within about 12 to 18 months.

The immediate concern is their production of nuclear weapons. If that is taken out then we have time to deal with other issues with Iran. But what will Iran do in response? That's the $64K question.

**roy365** · 07-02-2008, 07:59 AM

All I know is that Israel has been buying alot of spares from me lately.

Business is gooooooooooooood!

**Kronos1965** · 07-02-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HRTKD

So your best solution is to divide and conquer? It seems that we are doing that now by trying to keep the countries of Iran and Iraq divided so that Iran doesn't conquer Iraq.

Russia went bankrupt because their communist economy was a disaster and our capitalist economy was a success. We could outspend them and our message of democracy was better than communism.

My enemie's enemy is my friend...

Making people who aren't necessarily best buddies into partners hardly makes either military or political sense. Bush's "Axis of Evil" only strengthened ties and gave those countries pubilicity and legitimacy as power players.

While we are trying to keep Iraq and Iran separated, the ties along religious lines are strengthening and as the President of Iran clearly points out, "terrorists are there because the Americans are there..." actually works!

If our intervention is the only impetus for change, what will happen when we leave? Look at South Vietnam when we left-they folded like wet rice paper...

Yes we could outspend communism but is the message better? More pros being in the United States for sure but there are also a few pros to being communist (at least in theory.)

Iran has got people and will use people as human bullets again like they did in wars past if it comes to this. They are looking for an excuse to cross over into Iraq "to liberate them" or to take them over...

TitanBlue · 07-03-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kronos1965

If our intervention is the only impetus for change, what will happen when we leave? Look at South Vietnam when we left-they folded like wet rice paper...

Yes we could outspend communism but is the message better? More pros being in the United States for sure but there are also a few pros to being communist (at least in theory.)

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1. We did not detroy the enemy forces, South Vietnam fell because we abandoned them. A sin we will be guilty of forever.

2, Pros to being communist (at least in theory) - N/A. NADA, Nonesuch. Only if taken out of context. History seems to have proven it by now.

**roy365** · 07-03-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HRTKD

I really doubt there will be an _invasion_ of Iran. Like you said, we don't have the troops.

I think we can all agree that Iran is working on the production of nuclear weapons. Given the equipment they have purchased and the statements they have made it is reasonable to assume they are actively working on it. There are estimates that they will have something within about 12 to 18 months.

The immediate concern is their production of nuclear weapons. If that is taken out then we have time to deal with other issues with Iran. But what will Iran do in response? That's the $64K question.

Who needs thousands of troops to deal with Iran? U.S. & Iran have nuclear capabilities at the touch of a button. We have smart unmanned technology. Yes we need troops....but this would be a totally different war than Iraq.

That region is anti America and getting worse. Look at the maps, it's scary to sit back and think that all those surrounding countries hate us. If it werent for the oil or Israel who would even care? I cant believe it took those idiots this long to figure out they had something we needed.