"thank You America!", Opec

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by 37L1

We should be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Everyone else would be better for it.

* Blue denotes sarcasm.

Any particular reason you find my posts worthy of this kind of response? Apparently, others have posted similar thoughts but you have not quipped with them...

We haven't modernized our refining capacity.
We have increased our demand for oil and oil-based products.
When we have fallen short of meeting our needs, we ask for more as a first option rather than consider how to make choices in our needs.
We are asking to drill more as opposed to use less. When was the last time we rationed? Keep up these prices and we may soon see something like that.

A free market economy works to its lowest point meaning that speculators are in part driving up costs because they too do the numbers and see emerging economies outpacing the US in oil consumption and where there's a limited supply, getting it now as opposed to not getting it later is a concern.

Should we not drill for oil? Depends where. How come folks don't want new facilities to refine or drill oil in their backyards but have no problem with it being somewhere else?
Should we look to other energy sources to meet our demands? Yes.
Should we blame OPEC for our lot in life? No. We did it to ourselves. They are a supplier like any other.

I do not see how my stating again these points earns your sarcasm...

[rickys2020]

let's take the amish life, well half way in some way.

[kman]

Originally Posted by stlblues

Wake up people. US oil speculators are the reason for our gas prices, greedy A hole Americans are driving the prices through the roof, NOT OPEC. And as far as what we Didn't learn from the 70s, look at all of the people that drive Hummers, Large SUVs, and Pickups for no reason other than they want to. I'm a contractor and have to drive a pickup, does my wife drive a Suburban? NO, a Honda Odyssey that has as much room, but gets 27mpg hwy, and when she doesn't need the room, an Accord. When I don't have to drive the truck, I use the other vehicle or a motorcycle that gets 52mpg.

And as far as Europe, yes they pay major taxes on gas, but with the mass transit, you don't need to drive, and those taxes cover your retirement, healthcare, 6 weeks of vacation a year, etc, they don't get F***ed by HMOs and insurance companies. So b*tching about gas prices is mostly our fault, at least those driving gas guzzlers when they don't have to, and those that go greed over national concerns. So, if you took all of the money you spend on healthcare, insurance, and retirement, and spent it on gas, how far could you drive, even at $7 a gallon? Unless you drive a hummer, pretty damn far.......stupid socialist governments, see we got it right, right? A friend was just over in Germany on business and gas worked out to just over $6 a gallon.....with all of those benefits, we aren't too far from that now and we are just getting screwed.

i agree with all of the above but i also think the oil market is being gamed from many different players with speculators just one of the usual suspects. Save for Canada (God bless their national sport) and the north sea countries, virtually all of the other players Iran and the rest of Opec, Russia, Venezuala... aren't exactly our best friends. I wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them with being truthful in their reporting of on-hand inventories and production outputs, they hold this info pretty close to the chest, and none of it is really transparent for the market to be wonderfully efficient in its assesment. It will be eventually i think, but we are going to get there the hard way.

[rickys2020]

hey as long as we keep buying gas we will have to keep bendin over. ouch

[chunko]

Originally Posted by kman

i agree with all of the above but i also think the oil market is being gamed from many different players with speculators just one of the usual suspects. Save for Canada (God bless their national sport) and the north sea countries, virtually all of the other players Iran and the rest of Opec, Russia, Venezuala... aren't exactly our best friends. I wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them with being truthful in their reporting of on-hand inventories and production outputs, they hold this info pretty close to the chest, and none of it is really transparent for the market to be wonderfully efficient in its assesment. It will be eventually i think, but we are going to get there the hard way.

We've been living the hard way for a few years now. What is happening, needs to happen.

Oil needs to be expensive, so it becomes a less attractive energy source, and other energy sources can compete...and researching alternatives becomes an attractive investment.

Then we get off oil and tell the middle east to kiss our a$$...and they can go back to killing each other as they have done since little baby jesus was watching baby Einstein videos.

[kman]

save for the 70s crisis, its never been so hard as recently. I agree the only way for us to unhinge ourselves from it is for the price to be expensive, but thats not why it is expensive.

I see last week L'Bush has thrown big oil a bone to chew on for a couple years as he is now suddenly concerned about the enviromental effect of solar power by placing a moratorium on new solar projects on public land until studies of their environmental impact are completed, which is expected to take about two years. The land in question is the f'in desert! Bush the environmentalist, it don't fit.

[37L1]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

Any particular reason you find my posts worthy of this kind of response? Apparently, others have posted similar thoughts but you have not quipped with them...

We haven't modernized our refining capacity.
We have increased our demand for oil and oil-based products.
When we have fallen short of meeting our needs, we ask for more as a first option rather than consider how to make choices in our needs.
We are asking to drill more as opposed to use less. When was the last time we rationed? Keep up these prices and we may soon see something like that.

A free market economy works to its lowest point meaning that speculators are in part driving up costs because they too do the numbers and see emerging economies outpacing the US in oil consumption and where there's a limited supply, getting it now as opposed to not getting it later is a concern.

Should we not drill for oil? Depends where. How come folks don't want new facilities to refine or drill oil in their backyards but have no problem with it being somewhere else?
Should we look to other energy sources to meet our demands? Yes.
Should we blame OPEC for our lot in life? No. We did it to ourselves. They are a supplier like any other.

I do not see how my stating again these points earns your sarcasm...

you have been the one who has consistantly blamed US for everything.

From the start of WWII, (oh those poor Japanese), to the present state of affairs in the Middle East.

So much so that you sound like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FC...eature=related

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by 37L1

you have been the one who has consistantly blamed US for everything.

From the start of WWII, (oh those poor Japanese), to the present state of affairs in the Middle East.

So much so that you sound like this guy:

I do not blame the US for everything. There is a context in which everything occurs and no one person or one country can be solely responsible for actions that impact us all.

To however have an enthnocentric view of the world or American-Exceptionalism view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Exceptionalism stagnates us and paralyzes us from continuing to make America great. To lay on our laurals and say "we've accomplished something only lets the competition pass us.

Ford Motor Company mass produced the first automobile in the United States and until competition came along, it was the only real option for many who could afford it. I'm sure they celebrated their successes and somehow at some point when the competition started catching up, they realized that to survive, they better innovate to keep ahead...

And now Ford is sending jobs to other countries because they are not producing cars the American public wants at a pricepoint the American competition sells their cars. I guess I should get a sign that celebrates Fords 90 years of success as they head across the border so that I can say that they are not to be blamed at all for their predicament.

Evil other auto manufacturers are solely responsible for Ford's downfall...

Two sides to every situation at least. If you want to really affect change, then you have to not just deal with your own side but look at how others see it as well.

or I guess when differences exist, you can just hit the other person with a rock like we did in grade school...

[37L1]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

I do not blame the US for everything. There is a context in which everything occurs and no one person or one country can be solely responsible for actions that impact us all.

To however have an enthnocentric view of the world or American-Exceptionalism view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Exceptionalism stagnates us and paralyzes us from continuing to make America great. To lay on our laurals and say "we've accomplished something only lets the competition pass us.

Ford Motor Company mass produced the first automobile in the United States and until competition came along, it was the only real option for many who could afford it. I'm sure they celebrated their successes and somehow at some point when the competition started catching up, they realized that to survive, they better innovate to keep ahead...

And now Ford is sending jobs to other countries because they are not producing cars the American public wants at a pricepoint the American competition sells their cars. I guess I should get a sign that celebrates Fords 90 years of success as they head across the border so that I can say that they are not to be blamed at all for their predicament.

Evil other auto manufacturers are solely responsible for Ford's downfall...

Two sides to every situation at least. If you want to really affect change, then you have to not just deal with your own side but look at how others see it as well.

or I guess when differences exist, you can just hit the other person with a rock like we did in grade school...

Just like it always has been, the strong will prevail.

Maybe you might want to temper your "what's wrong with this country" with some "what's right with this country" once in a while. . .otherwise your "bending-over" to see the "other guy's" side is just that.

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by 37L1

Just like it always has been, the strong will prevail.

Maybe you might want to temper your "what's wrong with this country" with some "what's right with this country" once in a while. . .otherwise your "bending-over" to see the "other guy's" side is just that.

Point noted-although you really should have hit me with the rock when you had the chance!

[37L1]

Originally Posted by Kronos1965

Point noted-although you really should have hit me with the rock when you had the chance!

Resort to violence? Never!

Instead I should give you a big wet kiss. . .

[rholland]

Originally Posted by 37L1

you have been the one who has consistantly blamed US for everything.

From the start of WWII, (oh those poor Japanese), to the present state of affairs in the Middle East.

So much so that you sound like this guy:

In the late 60s and 70s, we had a large group of liberals that became known as the "Better Red Than Dead" bunch, that wanted the U.S.A to disarm and plead for mercy from the Soviets.

Now we seem to have the same type of liberal, that have become “Better Muslim Than Dead”, and we have a couple on this board.

[chunko]

Originally Posted by rholland

In the late 60s and 70s, we had a large group of liberals that became known as the "Better Red Than Dead" bunch, that wanted the U.S.A to disarm and plead for mercy from the Soviets.

Now we seem to have the same type of liberal, that have become “Better Muslim Than Dead”, and we have a couple on this board.

Uh, what world are you living in? My guess is that people like this would account for .000000000000001% of our population.

Unless you make some crazy assumptions...like people who want us out of Iraq really want our country to be under Muslim control.

Or, just because someone said we don't need 2000 nukes that they wanted the russians to beat us.

I thinks its easy to write off those who yearn for change as unpatriotic...but I think that's an unfair generalization.

I think there are two types of patriots:

Flag Patriots
Constitution Patriots

Both are important to the greatness of our country: Past, Present, and Future.

[37L1]

Originally Posted by adavis99

Uh, what world are you living in? My guess is that people like this would account for .000000000000001% of our population.

Unless you make some crazy assumptions...like people who want us out of Iraq really want our country to be under Muslim control.

Or, just because someone said we don't need 2000 nukes that they wanted the russians to beat us.

I thinks its easy to write off those who yearn for change as unpatriotic...but I think that's an unfair generalization.

I think there are two types of patriots:

Flag Patriots
Constitution Patriots

Both are important to the greatness of our country: Past, Present, and Future.

Are these Flag Patriots or Constitution Patriots??

[chunko]

Your the one saying those must be patriots...so you tell me.