the Stimulus

[daptech]

Does anyone know everything that is in the stimulus.....like the
things that are not stimulus, but other legislation that is being
slipped in.
Bloomberg.com: Opinion

[Kronos1965]

Originally Posted by daptech

Does anyone know everything that is in the stimulus.....like the
things that are not stimulus, but other legislation that is being
slipped in.
Bloomberg.com: Opinion

rholland did a post but I have not seen the final version.

[TacticalTitan]

We won't know until it's a done deal... They ALWAYS slip sh!t in at the last minute...

[daptech]

I think all citizens should have the same heathcare coverage
as members of congress.

[chunko]

Like everything our government does these days.. this bill is crap.

[bestatchess]

It is like a big smash & grab riot. Everybody wants to get some.

I think the whole thing was intentionally orchestrated. Dubya & crew start hiking interest rates in 2004 through 2007. Next comes oil price manipulation. Predictably, the economy tanks, Dubya pronounces "this sucka is going down - gimme the cash" Paulson, on his way out the door snatches the "emergency - the sky is falling" bailout money and dishes to his investment banker buddies (who do nothing to unfreeze credit or start making loans as that might avert massive deflation). Massive deflation of stock and real estate prices continues. Who benefits? People with alot of dollars from selling oil at high prices can step in and buy U.S. assets at rock bottom prices. The new administration predictably opens the money tap, the economy rebounds, real estate and stock prices go up. The people in at the bottom make a few trillion $.

[layer1]

So, this bill is suppose to help out. Think not.

If some mojo down the street gets bailed out for going over their head then why cant I get bailed out as well, even though I did the right thing, pay my bills and struggling. Chew through my savings in the last year to stay afloat.

Thats an example.

[daptech]

The "plan" didn't do very well today.
CNNMoney.com Market Report - Feb. 10, 2009

[Eighttens]

if you guy think that the bill sucks read some of this B/S

Congressional Perks: How the Trappings of Office Trap Taxpayers

[Eighttens]

these are more current then my last post and by far my favorite.................

Want a raise? Don't beg to your boss. Just vote yourself one. That's what the United States Congress just did Congress Votes Itself a Pay Raise

Salaries and Benefits of U.S. Congress Members Salaries and Benefits of U.S. Congress Members

[Bhudda454]

As if the stock market flushing another 380 some odd points wasn't enough.


for your pleasure I give you............


$1.5 TRILLION



New Bailout May Top $1.5 Trillion
Plan Aims to Aid Banks, Spur Lending, Push Private Investors to Buy Toxic Assets

By David Cho and Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, February 10, 2009; A01

New Bailout May Top $1.5 Trillion

[Eighttens]

Originally Posted by daptech

Does anyone know everything that is in the stimulus.....like the
things that are not stimulus, but other legislation that is being
slipped in.
Bloomberg.com: Opinion

here are some but the HAS to be more that we don't know of

The latest pork list

The Republicans in the Senate published a list of what they consider to be pork in the latest version of the stimulus bill. There is a lot of unbelievable stuff on there.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. This money should be given back to the hard-working people who earned it or used for projects that will effectively stimulate economic activity. I have put the ones that offend me the most in bold and italicized the ones that don't bother me that much.

• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs? [What in the heck is this. If it involves building sewers than I would consider it infrastructure and it is probably OK]

• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.
• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.

• $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.

• $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.

• $850 million for Amtrak. I'll go with this one, but one has to wonder how efficiently this money will be spent.

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.

• $75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.

[bestatchess]

In the absence of further details, none of the foregoing "pork" bothers me much. (except maybe Amtrak)
It really bothers me that financial institutions that received $188 billion in bailout money paid $1.6 billion in compensation to 600 executives. That averages to $2,666,666 per incompetent executive. In actuality, some of most incompetent execs received much more.

Banks That Got $188 Billion in Bailout Money This Year Paid Out $1.6 Billion to Top Execs Last Year

[Bootzon]

And all the pork just masks the worst part of the bill which gives the feds
increased power over the medical system. The government will effect the treatment you recieve.

Can you say SOCIALIZED MEDICINE?

They don't want to take the chance of people rejecting socialized medicine through a vote, so let's sneak it in the Bill that is supposed to " save " us.

I think they were hoping that everybody would be distracted by the absurd items. Much like the stratagy racers have used for years in pre race inspections. Sneak some obviously illegal things for the inspectors to find so they quit looking before they find what you really don't want them to find.

According to Bloomberg.com this info is from H.R. 1 EH, pdf version pages 445, 454, 479

Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (pages 511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).
Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”

WAKE UP PEOPLE. If this doesn't alert you that we are under attack from socialist elements that intend to change the democratic system in this country, what will?????

[rholland]

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