Is Going Green worth Bleeding Red? - Page 3

**helomech** · 07-01-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiritOne

oh good, because thats what this forum needs, MORE Misinformation.

Who said anything about any information. I was talking about what I really feel, and if you had read my post you would know that. Me speaking my mind has nothing to do with something I heard.

But since you seem to want to know I can't wait for the blood shed. I am sick and fre9(((ing tired of this bickering. Lets fight it out and who ever wins makes the rules. Survival of the fittest, it is about time we start acting a little like the spartans and start throwing the worthless off a freaking cliff. BTW this is still me holding back.

**OneQuick06** · 07-01-2009, 01:46 AM

Cuz, you don't know what wrath I could unleash upon my peers. My wife has been so adamant about me keeping my rage to an absolute minimum because she doesn't want me to end up behind bars or dead. Which I can understand, because you won't like me when I'm angry. Honestly if it wasn't for her and my son, I'd be in the papers already as the DC exterminator. No mercy for them F***ers. Grendel got nothing on my azz.

gweasel77 · 07-01-2009, 02:16 AM

WOW! I'm really glad someone keep's tab's on how corrupt our gov't is. I don't ever watch the new's, but i just learned a lot from this thread. Thank You

titanupgirl425 · 07-01-2009, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkblueta

Dude. You sure you're feeling alright? This is the third post in about as many days that I saw you using the 'kiss' smiley. That's all fine and all, but we're all guys....something you'd like to enlighten us about? Just wondering.

NOT ALL OF US!!

Papa_D · 07-01-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by titanupgirl425

NOT ALL OF US!!

Thank God for that, Helomech's sporting his Spartan and I certainly can't blame him so it looks as though we will need to repopulate with some good Titan bloodlines, lol.

How do you feel about being patriotic and birthing 30 tough as nails children, lol?

I too am tired of enduring the never ending assault by the federal government on our on our liberty and livelihood but I'm not quite ready to throw in the political towel just yet because there are three crucial and decisive political battles to be fought in the near future, battles which will determine the way we live while we continue fighting the good fight in whatever form that may be.

The most important of those of course is the GREEN TAX ON EVERYTHING Bill that's heading to the Senate for a vote and we all need to call them and tell them to vote no because this Bill is literally trying to redefine our nation's political power structure and take control away from the citizens and put it in the hands of some federal, pencil pushing, power hungry, middle management mercenaries.

Papa_D · 07-01-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gweasel77

WOW! I'm really glad someone keep's tab's on how corrupt our gov't is. I don't ever watch the new's, but i just learned a lot from this thread. Thank You

Wait a second, I'll bring you up to speed. Farah Fawcet, Michael Jackson and Billy Mays all died recently and oh yeah, on a side note, the federal government is attempting to place us all into environmental servitude, lol.

Seriously though, you know how happy go lucky I am and I certainly would much rather be discussing exhaust systems and performance improvements for our trucks but I had to be a big boy and put away the toys once I figured out what the government was up to so please call your Senator and help stop the GREEN TAX ON EVERYTHING.

U.S. Senate: Senators Home

Papa_D · 07-01-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OneQuick06

Cuz, you don't know what wrath I could unleash upon my peers. My wife has been so adamant about me keeping my rage to an absolute minimum because she doesn't want me to end up behind bars or dead. Which I can understand, because you won't like me when I'm angry. Honestly if it wasn't for her and my son, I'd be in the papers already as the DC exterminator. No mercy for them F***ers. Grendel got nothing on my azz.

Easy big fella, we are gonna need you down the road and there is still a slim chance of settling this in a peaceful fashion for now, although now has nearly come and gone without notice by most folks who are just trying to earn a living and get by on what the government leaves them.

jjski78 · 07-01-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OneQuick06

Cuz, you don't know what wrath I could unleash upon my peers. My wife has been so adamant about me keeping my rage to an absolute minimum because she doesn't want me to end up behind bars or dead. Which I can understand, because you won't like me when I'm angry. Honestly if it wasn't for her and my son, I'd be in the papers already as the DC exterminator. No mercy for them F***ers. Grendel got nothing on my azz.

Be careful what you post up on a public forum dude. We don't want you to get a visit from the Secret Service.

As for the Taxman bill, it's absolutely ridiculous that this was allowed to pass. Their reasoning for it is "to make alternative and renewable forms of energy cost-effective". Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for switching to alternative energy sources, and I believe that we really need to get off oil. But this is the totally WRONG way of doing it. Taxing the living crap out of conventional energy sources to increase their prices so the alternatives are on a level playing field??? Crazy talk.

First off, for vehicular use, E85 is already CHEAPER than gas. The problem isn't price in that case, it's availability. You want to give people an incentive to switch to E85? Give gas station owners some sort of tax incentive to install E85 pumps. If every station in America had E85 available, I guarantee you would see widespread use of it. This has been proven in Minneapoils/St. Paul where the cities gave incentives to station owners for installing E85 pumps, and then had a HUGE marketing campaign. I would use E85 if the closest station to me wasnt 30 frickin miles away in a totally different direction from where I usually travel. And mandate that every vehicle sold in America be a Flex-Fuel vehicle. That would save the automakers money because they only have to design one drivetrain, and everyone who buys a new car would be able to use ethanol.

They also need to federally mandate bi-annual emissions testing for everyone. And only one standard, if they want to use California's standard, fine, but have one standard for the entire country. That would also save the Automakers money, because again, they would only have to build one version.

As for power generation, leave the utility companies alone. Instead, give incentives for homeowners to install PV or wind systems on their houses. Currently the government gives a tax credit equal to 30% of the cost of a qualifying system. That's all well and good, but the average PV system will still cost you about $20k even with the credit. Not exactly chump change. Maybe a 50% credit would be more in line.

And to control heating/cooling costs, mandate that all new construction homes be built with a geo-thermal system.

Do that, and costs will stay about the same, our pollution levels would drop dramatically without too much government interference and virtually no price hikes on utility bills.

just my .02, stepping off the soapbox now.

Papa_D · 07-01-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OneQuick06

Ok, so in my dictionary, progressive = needs .50cal BMG bullet to forehead. Got it filed in my mental rolodex.

And BTW, if I hear the word green when not describing the color of grass or eggs and ham, I may go progressive all over someone's azz. LOL (not intended for those who post of the govt use of the word.) Seriously. F' that tired-assed cliche, unless you're talking about some killer smoke, aka kb, buddah, yesca, you get the point.

That's pretty much the size of it, they change the words around so they are "politically correct" to make things appealing and instead of saying we are going to control nearly every aspect of your lives and tax the ever loving crap out of you in the process, they call it "economic justice" or "going green" but it all means the same thing, out of control government destroying liberty and putting those of us who aren't already there into the poor house, except of course for the elite because somebody has to shepherd the sheeple...

Bhudda454 · 07-01-2009, 11:00 AM

Wow..Ok

In a Nutshell. No. The "Going Green" movement is nothing more than a well funded backdoor agenda by hypocrites to force outdated technology upon us and raise our taxes. Humans do not effect the climate in enough ways to be reduced faster than what Mother Nature is doing to it on her own. Might be she is gonna force us to be the next dinosaurs. Might be good, as it will finally end socialist agendas.

The Cap-n-Tax legislation Can Not be stopped by the Senate as they now have a Filibuster Proof majority. Thanks to the idiots in Minnesota. This also means another piece of Fed Govt theft will slide right down the high-speed rails to his desk in the form of Universal Health Care.

The main reason people opposed to this are so hyped to share any and all proof, theory, conjecture, or just plain rail against it. It and all legislation like are in Fact stripping your Individual Freedoms to Choose Guaranteed to American citizens by the Constitution. There is not currently, nor has there been in our short 233yr history been a working and profitable for THE PEOPLE program by the Fed Govt. They can't balance a check book, fill out thier own tax forms properly, let alone make it work on a payday.

None of these elected idiots has EVER run a company to profit. At best they are lawyers and Communit Activists.....

**OneQuick06** · 07-01-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_D

Easy big fella, we are gonna need you down the road and there is still a slim chance of settling this in a peaceful fashion for now, although now has nearly come and gone without notice by most folks who are just trying to earn a living and get by on what the government leaves them.

I know Papa, it was a flash of rage that got to the keyboard. I quickly composed myself afterward. Rationality is back in place.

**OneQuick06** · 07-01-2009, 02:55 PM

Jjski, is E85 really cheaper? From what I noticed when E10 was introduced in my area it was about 10 cents cheaper a gallon than 100% gasoline. That lasted about two months. Now it's the same price as regular gasoline. I'm guessing E85 will follow the same trend. We will be paying full price for a proven inferior fuel.

BTW, take a look in your owners manual for your Titan and you will see that is does not recommend running ethanol blends. Yes my truck can be run on E85, but the manual says "not a good idea." What do yall think of that?

jjski78 · 07-01-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OneQuick06

Jjski, is E85 really cheaper? From what I noticed when E10 was introduced in my area it was about 10 cents cheaper a gallon than 100% gasoline. That lasted about two months. Now it's the same price as regular gasoline. I'm guessing E85 will follow the same trend. We will be paying full price for a proven inferior fuel.

BTW, take a look in your owners manual for your Titan and you will see that is does not recommend running ethanol blends. Yes my truck can be run on E85, but the manual says "not a good idea." What do yall think of that?

I have a sticker on my gas cap that says "Unleaded fuel or ethanol (E85) only" and a big Flex-fuel emblem on the tailgate, so it's good to go. And yes, regular unleaded is $2.39 and E85 is 2.12 here in Arkansas. Across the border in Missouri E85 is only 1.98

**OneQuick06** · 07-01-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jjski78

I have a sticker on my gas cap that says "Unleaded fuel or ethanol (E85) only" and a big Flex-fuel emblem on the tailgate, so it's good to go. And yes, regular unleaded is $2.39 and E85 is 2.12 here in Arkansas. Across the border in Missouri E85 is only 1.98

I have that same sticker, though not the Flex Fuel logo.

jjski78 · 07-01-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OneQuick06

I have that same sticker, though not the Flex Fuel logo.

Weird, but not really uncommon. From what I have read Nissan isn't very consistent in the labeling of their flex-fuel vehicles. I guess since you only have the sticker, I'd have the VIN checked to see if it's really a flex-fuel.