hate crime

daptech · 07-09-2009, 02:45 PM

Is this a hate crime......cops haven't decided yet.
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''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world''
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Ohio.com - Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family

**helomech** · 07-09-2009, 03:07 PM

should have pulled a gun and shot them sob's.

Bhudda454 · 07-09-2009, 03:13 PM

If this was the actual verbage used, "''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' Then it is a Hate crime and an organized crime by default for being a gang activity. Having a handgun or otherwise would have only escalated this problem, and likely ended with Four Victims deceased, not injured.

Using racial slurs is being prosecuted more and more as the Hate Crime that it is. Not nearly enough have been sent to the needle for people to figure out it is not a joke. I am more than a little miffed at the Houston Crime Lab being so sloppy that they have singlehandedly dropped the death toll here in Texas. We used to have a Drive-Thru service for the needle. Need to get it re-paved and back in full swing.

Oh, and No I am not going to ever be persuaded to believe that someone who commits an act against humanity so vile that they can be put to death will ever serve enough time on my dime to justify it. HANG'EM All.

TecheTitan · 07-09-2009, 03:13 PM

I bet it won't be considered a hate crime due to the fact that the attackers were black and the victims were white, but if it were the other way around we'd have the FBI involved in this as well as the local PD because then it would be a hate crime.....this country is bass ackwards!

**helomech** · 07-09-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhudda454

If this was the actual verbage used, "''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' Then it is a Hate crime and an organized crime by default for being a gang activity. Having a handgun or otherwise would have only escalated this problem, and likely ended with Four Victims deceased, not injured.

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I don't believe after the first 10 of them got hit the rest would have scattered. I would much rather have a gun with me in the situation.

**Blackbeauty** · 07-09-2009, 03:30 PM

Why can't we all just get along?

**OneQuick06** · 07-09-2009, 03:35 PM

The term "hate crime" is just another double standard. Any unprovoked crime against another individual is a "hate crime" to be technical. Why the division when it comes to race? I don't know. But I'm sure Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be more than happy to elaborate.

MSrockyblue · 07-09-2009, 05:11 PM

If it had been white on black, the two afformentioned reverends would hold a march with thousands. You wouldn't be able to drive through that neighborhood because of the demonstrations. And yes, it would be concidered a hate crime.

blackfire · 07-09-2009, 05:12 PM

I'm not sure who said it but i'm sure some will agree with it......."F*** Jesse Jackson!" He's just out to start stuff and stir the pot.

**DeadRiver** · 07-09-2009, 06:37 PM

reverse the colors, suddenly it's a hate crime.

look at what they stated, sounds pretty racially motivated to me.

i hope this story has a happy ending. i hope i don't have to deal with this **** for my family.

guess it is getting close to the time i should carry concealed..... dammit.

Papa_D · 07-09-2009, 07:46 PM

Hate crime laws are stupid and unconstitutional because they levy harsher penalties for the same crime depending on who committed it and why. Whether a victim has the crap beat out of them because of their race, religion, sex, or whatever should have no bearing on how harshly the offenders are punished.

A crime is a crime and if you want to make the punishment more harsh for all who murder, rape or commit assault, fine, but don't make unconstitutional laws that distribute penalties inequitably based on something subjective and you don't punish one group or race more harshly than another simply because they expressed hate for another group or victim because then, you are basically making hate a crime.

I will repeat that for those caught sleeping. Hate crime laws make hate a crime which is insane. Think about that, you are essentially making a feeling a crime which is absurd and why should hating someone be a crime and what's next, if you don't like someone you can be arrested for it?

Why should crimes committed due to hate carry any more of a penalty than crimes committed out of indifference for the victim? The victim is just as assaulted, raped or dead so why should the penalty for the crime be any more or less depending upon motive?

Sentencing based on whether someone hated someone else makes about as much sense as prosecuting someone based on the type of pants they wear and would you really care if your assailant was wearing Khaki or Camo while you are laying their bleeding to death???

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ptownplayer44 · 07-10-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_D

Why should crimes committed due to hate carry any more of a penalty than crimes committed out of indifference for the victim? The victim is just as assaulted, raped or dead so why should the penalty for the crime be any more or less depending upon motive?

Why is there Murder, Manslaughter etc. I think it might have to do with pre-meditation and fully comprehending the consequences prior to the crime.

Papa_D · 07-10-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ptownplayer44

Why is there Murder, Manslaughter etc. I think it might have to do with pre-meditation and fully comprehending the consequences prior to the crime.

Although in many cases that's true, does that somehow justify unconstitutional legislation that would prosecute criminals differently based on subjective standards depending upon what they were thinking or whether they had feelings of hate during a crime vs someone who loved the person they killed, raped or beat the piss out of?

would you you care to explain to me why it's anything more than a feel good, yet really bad idea because I honestly can't think of a logical argument to justify laws that make any types of feelings, thoughts or speech a crime?

Sal Monsta · 07-10-2009, 07:16 PM

Should of just shot a few of em'. That would of made em' think twice

**OneQuick06** · 07-10-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ptownplayer44

Why is there Murder, Manslaughter etc. I think it might have to do with pre-meditation and fully comprehending the consequences prior to the crime.

That's correct. Murder is done on purpose, manslaughter is accidental. There should be no difference between punishments for murder just because the victim is of different race than the perp. Again, all that does is reinforce the idea that the races are different, something that the black community has been fighting against since the inception of the constitution. There should be no subjectivity to punishment of crimes. It should not matter whether the motive was to "kill a black guy" or "to kill a white guy". Murder is murder, no matter the motive. Death sentence for both. Period.