heavy duty rear axle? - Nissan Titan Forum
Titan Engine, Transmission & Drivetrain Technical discussion about the engine, transmission, and drivetrain.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 07:12 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: oregon
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
heavy duty rear axle?

I gave the forum search my best shot and couldn't come up with a thread that exactly matches this. If you know of one, send me the link.

I want to upgrade the load rating of my rear axle. I don't off road or race, but I do tow a boat and carry a camper and other beyond rating loads once in a while. The stock rear axle load rating seems pretty light, so I'm wondering what I can do for an aftermarket upgrade. I'd like to put a true-trac while I'm at it.

2004 2WD KC SE Big Tow.

Thanks--
dakunah is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 08:25 PM
Registered User
 
Shane06fl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Apopka FL
Posts: 3,870
Thanks: 241
Thanked 687 Times in 510 Posts
iTrader Score: 1 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Increase capacity top the factory axle, nothing. If you want to help squatting and handling you can probably install air bags, very popular around here. This does not automagicly increase your payload, it only helps with what the truck was designed for.
There are some after market axles being made out there but your suspension and frame are still the weak links.

Loading a slide in camper and towing a boat you probably need to jump up to a 3/4 ton.

2005 Titan KC SE ***Sold 9/6/14***
Big Tow
4x4 SE
Deep Water
2005 Titan CC
Big Tow
4x4 SE
Silver

New Ride
2013 Chevy Silverado LT Z71 CC short bed
5.3L LC9 engine
Heavy duty tow package/cooling
4wd
loaded to the gills
mirrors sucks (for now)

2004 Keystone 24RS

---------------------------------------------------
Shane06fl is offline  
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 08:34 PM
Registered User
 
Shogunles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Farmingdale, NY (Long Island)
Posts: 1,311
Thanks: 75
Thanked 216 Times in 166 Posts
iTrader Score: 4 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Sorry Bro, you cannot add or increase your load. All done at the factory. Like Shane said, Air bags and a good WD Hitch is about all you can do. But it will not increase you max payload or tow rating. It will help you tow better, keep you level and brake better. Only way to increase this is to increase the size of your truck.

I just installed Firestone Ride Rite Air Helper Springs. Very easy install, beefier bag than the Air Lifts, and it is bolt on no drill. Wish I got them sooner. If you need a good WD Hitch, look at the Reese Straight Line WD Hitch. And buy the Sway Cams that are compatible with it. It is one of the best hitches you can buy. Squats the T very well. They are on sale at Camping World.

2011 Titan SV Crew Cab
Navy Blue
Airaid MXP Intake
PML Deep Transmission Pan Black Powder Coating
Mag Hytec Rear Differential Cover Black Powder Coating
Bully Dog GT
Big Tow
Firestone Ride Rite Air Bag Kit
Advent Advuv630 2 DIN Nav/CD/DVD/Backup Camera (Dealer installed not my choice)
ARE Fiberglass Tonneau
Viper Remote Start and Security System
Front Windows Tinted to Match Factory Rear Tint
Myron and Davis Headrest Monitors

Future Mods:
Gibson Dual Exhaust
Bilstein 5100's All Around
Curt Front Mount Hitch Receiver

Last edited by Shogunles; 02-23-2013 at 08:36 PM.
Shogunles is online now  
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 10:28 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: oregon
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

I have the Firestone air bags and 10-ply tires. The weak point seems to be the rear wheel bearings, which I don't think can be upgraded in the A44 tube. The A60 will take bearings that have 50% higher rating; does anybody have experience with some of these A60 hybrid mods on this kind of application? Most of the threads I've read about this are guys running lifted rigs off road with huge wheels.
dakunah is offline  
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 11:02 PM
Registered User
 
goodkill365's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: West Hills Ca.
Posts: 6,448
Thanks: 6,390
Thanked 3,841 Times in 2,162 Posts
Garage
iTrader Score: 18 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Currie rear end man, they cost a lot but worth the $$

DIRT KING FABRICATION

LEGIT LEDS
Synthetics117.com
BLACK WIDOW EXHAUST
"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived." — General George S. Patton
goodkill365 is offline  
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 11:43 PM
Registered User
 
Anavrin351's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: WA state
Posts: 5,219
Thanks: 1,134
Thanked 1,154 Times in 841 Posts
iTrader Score: 2 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

The frame isn't a weak point while towing. It's a fully boxed frame.

sent from here


06 4X4 CC
Banks Intake, Banks Monster Exhaust, UpRev
Black 18" XD Monster Wheels W/Toyo M/Ts
1.5" front level W/ bilstein 5100s on middle perch and 1.5" rear block with bilstein 5125s

[/URL]
Anavrin351 is online now  
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 08:53 AM
Registered User
 
wahvtec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Statesboro, Ga
Posts: 58
Thanks: 3
Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

^I disagree id want to see some numbers before adding significantly more than suggested stress to the frame. Box is stronger than C channel frames, but at the cost of flexibility. This is why you don't see big rigs with box frames.
wahvtec is offline  
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 10:10 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: oregon
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

I think I agree about the frame being able to handle it-- the boat I'm towing is only about 3500 anyway, so even with the camper on i'm under the gross combined vehicle weight. It's the load in the bed and the rear wheel bearings i'm worried about. I'll check out the currie rear ends. Even if they're expensive they're a lot cheaper than buying a new pickup. Thanks.
dakunah is offline  
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 02:18 PM
Registered User
 
Anavrin351's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: WA state
Posts: 5,219
Thanks: 1,134
Thanked 1,154 Times in 841 Posts
iTrader Score: 2 reviews
Re: Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wahvtec View Post
^I disagree id want to see some numbers before adding significantly more than suggested stress to the frame. Box is stronger than C channel frames, but at the cost of flexibility. This is why you don't see big rigs with box frames.
I wasn't saying add more than suggested, I was saying it isn't a weak point on the T. It's one of the strong points.

sent from here


06 4X4 CC
Banks Intake, Banks Monster Exhaust, UpRev
Black 18" XD Monster Wheels W/Toyo M/Ts
1.5" front level W/ bilstein 5100s on middle perch and 1.5" rear block with bilstein 5125s

[/URL]

Last edited by Anavrin351; 02-24-2013 at 02:23 PM.
Anavrin351 is online now  
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 02:31 PM
Registered User
 
wahvtec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Statesboro, Ga
Posts: 58
Thanks: 3
Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

True, just surpassing load ratings scares me. Why not go dana 60 swap with air springs. Seems like that's the favored route to beef up the rear.
wahvtec is offline  
post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 03:18 PM
Registered User
 
Shane06fl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Apopka FL
Posts: 3,870
Thanks: 241
Thanked 687 Times in 510 Posts
iTrader Score: 1 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anavrin351 View Post
The frame isn't a weak point while towing. It's a fully boxed frame.

sent from here
You increase the axle capacity but say installing a 3/4 ton axle (example) the frame and suspension become the weak link. Any way you slice it a 3/4 ton axle in a half ton truck does not make it a 3/4 truck.

The Titan's frame as it sits is probably the strongest point in stock form.

2005 Titan KC SE ***Sold 9/6/14***
Big Tow
4x4 SE
Deep Water
2005 Titan CC
Big Tow
4x4 SE
Silver

New Ride
2013 Chevy Silverado LT Z71 CC short bed
5.3L LC9 engine
Heavy duty tow package/cooling
4wd
loaded to the gills
mirrors sucks (for now)

2004 Keystone 24RS

---------------------------------------------------
Shane06fl is offline  
post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 05:31 PM
Premium User
Nissan Titan Status - Premium Member
 
MilenkoGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pensacola, FL
Posts: 4,960
Thanks: 2,064
Thanked 4,416 Times in 2,275 Posts
Garage
iTrader Score: 5 reviews
Send a message via AIM to MilenkoGT
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

If you start towing more than 10,000lbs in the titan, your gonna have transmission issues before losing the frame or the rear end.

2008.5 Titan SE CC FFV 'Smoke'

UPREV J19K Tuning/LP mod/IAT Resistor Mod

Intake:
Proprietor of MGT90 Intake Manifold Project!
ported LS7 TB, Airaid MXP modded cai with Ram air mod

Cooling:
Stillen 3 row radiator with RP dual Spal 13in efans DC FK55 controller. 180 tstat.

Exhaust: DTLTs, CAJUN B-pipes 2.5'' catless mandrel SS
CAJUN 2.5''/3.5'' Merge Y kit, Borla XR1, Vibrant Bottle Reso, DC Sports Resonated Tip, dumped before axle.

Driveline: Transgo HD2, TruCool SR4588 with Bypass mod, PML trans pan, 3.36 gear with TruTrac
Nfabworks T-Bars. KMC 20x10 -24 offset wearing Cooper Zeon LTZ 305/50/20, R1 concepts front slotted rotors.



Dyno results

BEFORE 354rwhp/414rwtq

AFTER MGT90 Manifold & LS7 ported TB install

377rwhp/432rwtq


MGT90 manifold and LS7 TB setup gains

23rwhp/17rwtq!!!

TEAM VK56
MilenkoGT is offline  
post #13 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2013, 07:13 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: oregon
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Nowhere near 10k. 2k for the camper, 3.5k for the boat. The A60 axle upgrade sounds like the way to go. Do any of you Pacific Northwest guys know of a shop in the area that does this kind of thing, or is it just easiest to go to AZ or Currie in SoCal? I'm in the Willamette Valley.
dakunah is offline  
post #14 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-25-2013, 02:50 PM
Premium User
Nissan Titan Status - Premium Member
 
MilenkoGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pensacola, FL
Posts: 4,960
Thanks: 2,064
Thanked 4,416 Times in 2,275 Posts
Garage
iTrader Score: 5 reviews
Send a message via AIM to MilenkoGT
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

Why upgrade your axle if your not even towing anywhere near the limits of the stock one?

add a tru trac and you eliminate the weakest link in the whole rear end.

2008.5 Titan SE CC FFV 'Smoke'

UPREV J19K Tuning/LP mod/IAT Resistor Mod

Intake:
Proprietor of MGT90 Intake Manifold Project!
ported LS7 TB, Airaid MXP modded cai with Ram air mod

Cooling:
Stillen 3 row radiator with RP dual Spal 13in efans DC FK55 controller. 180 tstat.

Exhaust: DTLTs, CAJUN B-pipes 2.5'' catless mandrel SS
CAJUN 2.5''/3.5'' Merge Y kit, Borla XR1, Vibrant Bottle Reso, DC Sports Resonated Tip, dumped before axle.

Driveline: Transgo HD2, TruCool SR4588 with Bypass mod, PML trans pan, 3.36 gear with TruTrac
Nfabworks T-Bars. KMC 20x10 -24 offset wearing Cooper Zeon LTZ 305/50/20, R1 concepts front slotted rotors.



Dyno results

BEFORE 354rwhp/414rwtq

AFTER MGT90 Manifold & LS7 ported TB install

377rwhp/432rwtq


MGT90 manifold and LS7 TB setup gains

23rwhp/17rwtq!!!

TEAM VK56
MilenkoGT is offline  
post #15 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-25-2013, 06:06 PM
Registered User
 
Shogunles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Farmingdale, NY (Long Island)
Posts: 1,311
Thanks: 75
Thanked 216 Times in 166 Posts
iTrader Score: 4 reviews
Re: heavy duty rear axle?

For Tru Trac you need to have a machine shop press it into the gear correct?

2011 Titan SV Crew Cab
Navy Blue
Airaid MXP Intake
PML Deep Transmission Pan Black Powder Coating
Mag Hytec Rear Differential Cover Black Powder Coating
Bully Dog GT
Big Tow
Firestone Ride Rite Air Bag Kit
Advent Advuv630 2 DIN Nav/CD/DVD/Backup Camera (Dealer installed not my choice)
ARE Fiberglass Tonneau
Viper Remote Start and Security System
Front Windows Tinted to Match Factory Rear Tint
Myron and Davis Headrest Monitors

Future Mods:
Gibson Dual Exhaust
Bilstein 5100's All Around
Curt Front Mount Hitch Receiver
Shogunles is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Nissan Titan Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Jump to top


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:



  Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Heavy Duty REAR bumper options? bucketfan Titan Parts & Accessories 4 11-10-2009 03:36 PM
FS: Heavy Duty Bed Mat scargo67 Buy/Sell 0 03-21-2009 06:31 AM
moser heavy duty jeep axle kit loudtitan Buy/Sell 0 06-09-2007 11:55 AM
First production PRG 1.5" Rear Kit with Custom Heavy Duty U-bolts! HavockWK Titan Suspension 19 03-31-2005 12:31 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On