Amsoil No Good??

Shane06fl · 03-23-2008, 03:22 PM

http://www.sinwal.com/data/synthetic...ions_guide.pdf

Not to beat a dead horse but??

It's dated 2005 but at the last page is says not to replace J matic.

Is there any up to date info on this.

**bbomar** · 03-23-2008, 03:24 PM

If you use anything other than J-matic you void your Power train warranty!!

USN HM 350Z · 03-23-2008, 03:25 PM

AMSOIL is great, but replacing your ATF with anything other than J-Matic will void your warranty.

Since it is a JATCO proprietary formula. They add a marker to ATF to analyse whether a stubstitute ATF was used since they provide the warranty to Nissan. If the tranny fails they pay Nissan the cost of exchange.
So you can bet they are looking for any excuse to avoid/void payment.

That does not mean other fluids will not work, just that if you end up with a warranty issue, you will be denied.

Shane06fl · 03-23-2008, 03:53 PM

My Power train warranty will be up in 2800 miles.

It's time for a full flush. I don't have an issue with Matic J and thats probably what I will use.

I just posted the link I stumbled across. The Amsiol website says use the Amsoil ATF but not if your running E85, go figure.

I thinks it's good idea to stay with what Jatco says to use.

NorCal 4x4 · 03-23-2008, 04:09 PM

Jatco, (the manufacturer of our RE5R05A), recommends that you never need to change the Titan's transmission fluid.

"Q. How often should the oil be changed in automatic transmissions?
A. Our products basically do not require oil changes. There are CVTs, however, that signal the need for an oil change and you should therefore check the handling manual of your vehicle for details." http://www.jatco.co.jp/ENGLISH/PRODUCTS/at_qa.html

Even Nissan is telling the dealers not to machine flush our transmissions. Check out this TSB (in .pdf format), a member over at CT posted: http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/show...7&postcount=10

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Shane06fl · 03-23-2008, 04:23 PM

I have read those before and TO ME it goes against everything I have ever learned over the years. Fluids break down over time and with use. Never changing the trany fluid might be ok but changing it should not hurt it either.

USN HM 350Z · 03-23-2008, 04:33 PM

it does not hurt to change it.

Nissanloyalist · 03-23-2008, 04:38 PM

Amsoils universal ATF has been MAtic-J compatible for over a year now. I do quite abit of towing and flushed mine w/ amsoil and have had absolutley no problems. The only one that AMSOIL makes that is Matic-J compatible is the univeral ATF. Do a search and look at AMSOILS website and you will see this is a compatible fluid.

NorCal 4x4 · 03-23-2008, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane06fl

I have read those before and TO ME it goes against everything I have ever learned over the years. Fluids break down over time and with use. Never changing the trany fluid might be ok but changing it should not hurt it either.

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I plan to drain and fill, but definitely won't flush.

Were you able to read the Nissan document?

Shane06fl · 03-23-2008, 06:40 PM

Yes I read the doc and saved it. Good info to have down the road. My other truck has the 100K mile warranty.

But you know the trany lines at the radiator are really easy to get to. I use to pull those and pump out the fluid while adding fluid until the fluid ran bright red. Always used way more fluid than was needed but hey a quart was only like $1.50. Kinda hard to waste 2 or 3 quarts at $10 A quart

NorCal 4x4 · 03-23-2008, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane06fl

Yes I read the doc and saved it. Good info to have down the road. My other truck has the 100K mile warranty.

But you know the trany lines at the radiator are really easy to get to. I use to pull those and pump out the fluid while adding fluid until the fluid ran bright red. Always used way more fluid than was needed but hey a quart was only like $1.50. Kinda hard to waste 2 or 3 quarts at $10 A quart

Even if it takes 5 or 6 quarts more, that is still a much better way than the pressure flushes, and cheaper than what the dealers around here wanted for their machine flushes, (when I checked a few years back). All quoted over $300, and one of them wanted $390.

Here's a link to a post, here at TT, that describes the type of flushing you mention.
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/817442-post1.html

Justintoxicated · 03-26-2008, 09:39 PM

The new amsoil (Not old **** from 2005 is matic J compliant) it says so right on the bottle. Dealer will have to prove the oil caused the problem, which it will not I have had it in my titan for over 20k now with no problems. In fact it seems to shift smoother than the stock MaticJ did with the same amount of miles on it.

coachditka · 03-28-2008, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbomar

If you use anything other than J-matic you void your Power train warranty!!

Says who? I looked through all my manuals and can't find that info.

Heck, here in Houston, Tom Peacoc Nissan uses the BG flush. Other dealerships across the country use the same thing.

There are several universal synthetic ATF's that will work in our trucks.

Royal Purple
Amsoil
BG

I have yet to hear of a transmission warranty claim that was denied due to wrong type of fluid.

CoeCEO · 04-28-2008, 09:11 AM

This threads a little old but.....

I looked through a dozen or so related threads on this and have determined that:

1. Nissan sent out the letter attached above due to the use of flushing machines, it sounds to me that these machines and possible deposits from them are the real reason they recomend you skip the flush. Replacing fluids is still good.

2. You can still do the flush, you just need to do it the old fashioned way with 2 people, idle the truck and pour it in while you drain it until it comes out clean. There is a description of this process but I lost the link. You can also just drain 4-5 qts a few times slowly cycling out the fluid. Also some recommend removing the pan and cleaning the magnets and keeping the inside spotless (no lint etc.) dont use paper towels, get degreasers, evaporative cleaners, etc for this one.

3. Unless they can prove it caused your problems, it will not void the warranty to use a different fluid. Plus if they really claim you have to use it, they have to provide it to you for FREE so long as the maintenance is recomended and you are still under said warranty. Thats part of the Magnusen/Moss (sp) language. Several lubricant companies claim to be compatible (Royal purples universal ATF, and Amsoil's ATF to name 2).

What will I do? After researching this I have canceled my flush appt for next week ($175 back into my budget) will find 5 qts of Amsoil or Royal Purple (the right one will say its compatible on the bottle, plan on around $50) and will do a drain and fill every 5K over the next 15K (currently around 37K on the truck).

Justintoxicated · 04-28-2008, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoeCEO

This threads a little old but.....

I looked through a dozen or so related threads on this and have determined that:

1. Nissan sent out the letter attached above due to the use of flushing machines, it sounds to me that these machines and possible deposits from them are the real reason they recomend you skip the flush. Replacing fluids is still good.

2. You can still do the flush, you just need to do it the old fashioned way with 2 people, idle the truck and pour it in while you drain it until it comes out clean. There is a description of this process but I lost the link. You can also just drain 4-5 qts a few times slowly cycling out the fluid. Also some recommend removing the pan and cleaning the magnets and keeping the inside spotless (no lint etc.) dont use paper towels, get degreasers, evaporative cleaners, etc for this one.

3. Unless they can prove it caused your problems, it will not void the warranty to use a different fluid. Plus if they really claim you have to use it, they have to provide it to you for FREE so long as the maintenance is recomended and you are still under said warranty. Thats part of the Magnusen/Moss (sp) language. Several lubricant companies claim to be compatible (Royal purples universal ATF, and Amsoil's ATF to name 2).

What will I do? After researching this I have canceled my flush appt for next week ($175 back into my budget) will find 5 qts of Amsoil or Royal Purple (the right one will say its compatible on the bottle, plan on around $50) and will do a drain and fill every 5K over the next 15K (currently around 37K on the truck).

The Flush machine seemed to work nicely on mine...If you change out in 5 quart intervals your never changing all the fluid since the 5 quarts you add just mixes with the old stuff...

For example your cleaning your fishtank and you change 1/2 the water. Fill it backup. Then the next day you drain it 1/2 way again and fill it back up, the second change your likely only changed out 1/4th of the origional water. Next day you drain it 1/2 way and fill it up again, this time you only changed 1/8th of the origional water. And so on. It's going to be much worse on a truck changing less than 30% of the oil at a time. Not sure on what they mean by deposits left from a flush machine, but it certainly can't be worse than deposits left by not changing all the oil.