E-Locker & VDC Answer

[Stitch]

Directly from the horses mouth er.. Email @ NNA

Dear (my name), (a.k.a. You Friggin Pain in the ARSE)

>
Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us about your interest in Nissan products.

According to our model line manager for the Nissan Titan,

The Nissan Titan's that have the Electronic Locking differential, will not be equipped with the Vehicle Dynamic Control.

So read em and weep Boys & Girls

[bestatchess]

Originally Posted by Stitch

The Nissan Titan's that have the Electronic Locking differential, will not be equipped with the Vehicle Dynamic Control.

So read em and weep Boys & Girls

O.K., now all I need is an after market push button locker that can be wired to shut off ABLS and VDC when you lock the diff. Anybody got a link?

[bwalkertitan]

In reality, all you need is the aftermarket locker and something to disable the ABLS. If you have VDC, then you should have the button to disable it right?

Ultimately, I think the aftermarket locker would be better, because you most likely would then be able to engage it in 4WD HIgh also (at least i hope so).

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by bwalkertitan

In reality, all you need is the aftermarket locker and something to disable the ABLS. If you have VDC, then you should have the button to disable it right?

Ultimately, I think the aftermarket locker would be better, because you most likely would then be able to engage it in 4WD HIgh also (at least i hope so).

I am not sure we would need to worry about the ABLS. Maybe I am all wet, but if the ABLS engages when one wheel slips it would never engage when the rear was locked. Can someone comment on this??

Regards,
Matt

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by BullDawg

I am not sure we would need to worry about the ABLS. Maybe I am all wet, but if the ABLS engages when one wheel slips it would never engage when the rear was locked. Can someone comment on this??

Regards,
Matt

Makes sense to me... Unless they are talking about the aftermarket e-locker which the ABLS may try to fight.

[cttitan]

Originally Posted by Stitch

Directly from the horses mouth er.. Email @ NNA

Dear (my name), (a.k.a. You Friggin Pain in the ARSE)

>
Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us about your interest in Nissan products.

According to our model line manager for the Nissan Titan,

The Nissan Titan's that have the Electronic Locking differential, will not be equipped with the Vehicle Dynamic Control.

So read em and weep Boys & Girls

So what should I do now??? My truck is on order and it has the big tow and offroad packages. I think I would prefer to have the VDC more than the locker. I was assuming it would have both but apparently that is not an option.

I would have very few times that I would need a locker but the VDC sounds like it would be useful at all times.

Opinions??

[bestatchess]

Originally Posted by cttitan

So what should I do now??? My truck is on order and it has the big tow and offroad packages. I think I would prefer to have the VDC more than the locker. I was assuming it would have both but apparently that is not an option.

I would have very few times that I would need a locker but the VDC sounds like it would be useful at all times.

Opinions??

I agree with you. A locker might get you through a mud hole that you wouldn't otherwise make it through, but the VDC may save your life.

[outahere]

Integrating a locking differential with ABLS and VDC is a minor engineering challenge at worst. I am losing my confidence in Nissan engineering competence. Now I understand why they had to go to Toyota for help with engineering a hybrid electric drivetrain.

[kmfernandez]

Originally Posted by outahere

Integrating a locking differential with ABLS and VDC is a minor engineering challenge at worst. I am losing my...

Well, on the other hand, just because somebody doesn't do something it certainly doesn't mean they cant do it. They are a big business and they just chose not to do it.

[PigPen]

I'll trade ya my VDC for your locker anyday!

[Stitch]

Well for me - I can add the E-Locker or similiar later on, but I can't add VDC.

I agree with other posts, there is no why these two systems could not be made to work according to what 2WD or 4WD mode you are in. I was looking on some of the Toyota boards and those guys have all sorts of innovative ways to make their e-lockers work in 4WD high/low, 2WD etc. Where's there's a will there's a way!

In our case - who knows. Could be a marketing issue, cost issue, maybe something not fully tested, a ECU issue, a part,switch or gizmo change required.

It will be interesting to see if this issue carries into 2005,6 models

[Quad T]

Assuming this Titan model line manager is correct, I will take VDC over the e-locker. As it seems the e-locker will only be active in 4WD LOW, I would only use it about 3 times a year...

I wonder if you will be able to order the e-locker separate or not.

The existing Nissan web site shows the e-locker as part of the Off Road package. So I would go with the SE KC 4x4 + Big Tow and not be able to get the skid plates and the Rancho shocks. The reality here is the fact that I could add those things without a lot of problem.

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by Quad T

Assuming this Titan model line manager is correct, I will take VDC over the e-locker. As it seems the e-locker will only be active in 4WD LOW, I would only use it about 3 times a year...

I wonder if you will be able to order the e-locker separate or not.

The existing Nissan web site shows the e-locker as part of the Off Road package. So I would go with the SE KC 4x4 + Big Tow and not be able to get the skid plates and the Rancho shocks. The reality here is the fact that I could add those things without a lot of problem.

Well all I can assume is the line manager is informed and correct. My dealer also got the newest option package print out from Nissan. It shows TWO tow packages. One has VDC the other doesn't. If you try to input Off Road AND the Tow package WITH VDC the order system rejects it and spits it back out.

I see it the same way, I can add the off road components later as I need them. As the aftermarket catches up our options for shocks and other things will get better anyway.

I'm happier with the 18" wheels and plan to get a set of BFG T/A's 285/65-18's before the winter comes round again.

[Quad T]

Originally Posted by Stitch

My dealer also got the newest option package print out from Nissan. It shows TWO tow packages. One has VDC the other doesn't. If you try to input Off Road AND the Tow package WITH VDC the order system rejects it and spits it back out.

I see it the same way, I can add the off road components later as I need them. As the aftermarket catches up our options for shocks and other things will get better anyway.

Sounds to me like that manager may have his facts right, cool. I'm just very pessimistic because when the S2000 was first released, man oh man, was it ever hard to get accurate technical data...

So you may have also answered the other question. If there are TWO tow packages, you could in theory get Big Tow & Off Road, if you took the Big Tow without VDC. Unless this all changes in '05 I suspect it would be Big Tow with VDC and not get the Off Road for me.

[Stitch]

Yes, correct.

You can get Big Tow AND Off Road w/locker but you loose the VDC from the tow group. Yup, 2005 may be all different but who knows what other packages will get linked / unlinked. May require you to get NAV if you want side air bags or something odd like that. What customers want plays a big role but is NOT the only factor they consider.

For me, I value the VDC more since most of my treks are on highway, two lane roads in rain, snow etc. That E-Locker is nice but would not have seen much use anyway. If I'm wrong I'll go get me a aftermarket Eaton E-Locker and the "offical" Nissan E-Locker switch.

Currently my biggest problem is how to fit a 18.6' truck in a 17' garage.