Considering the fact that I started this thread 8 months before you became a member here and purchased your Armada, that was the best information available(and I have yet to see anyone post any more details). {Also if you read my response last year which explained Toyota delaying intro till 07}.
Just to update you a little bit, the 05 Super Duty F-Series only share a faint resemblance to the mighty Tonka concept(namely just the grille). The F250/350 is the same old one with a new grille and just minor interior changes. The true redesign will be introduced in 2007 as a 2008 model which will resemble the Tonka even more.
You are correct, however, in saying that the finished product will not be as radical as the concept. That is economically not feasible for Toyota and may not appeal to the traditional truck buyer. Expect to see strong hints of the FTX with real world wheels, tires, and pricing.
Exactly. Look for styling ques but there is no way for example they will have the that radical interior in a mainstream production vehicle.
I love seeing people lifting the crap out of their pick-ups...those rear blocks sure are sturdy...
axle wrap is sooo much fun
one tap on a rear tire and you had better start checking your lugs...especially with 35s
question?....when people put all that extra rotating mass (35" tires and large rims) on thier trucks, do they usually also increase the rotor size and get new calipers and pads.............................................. ....no?.....didnt think so.
looks good though
Gee, and from a guy with a SE Off Road too. Although the post was off-topic, someone should respond.
Yes, there is a right and wrong way to get lift, and if a rear spring lift is not out yet, or for guys with limited funds, blocks do the trick reasonably well, within limits, in the back. With respect, I don't see the problem with going up to 35's with our brakes.
I use my Armada for a lot of purposes. One is to tow a modded '77 CJ5 Jeep to the places I like to play with it in the dirt and mud. But the CJ can get there safely without being towed, and has for years. I just don't want a lot of street use to wear out the soft rubber on the off-road tires (see below).
The little CJ still has drum brakes front and rear. They aren't that big. It does have a four inch suspension lift (Skyjacker), pinion angle change on the rear axle, some custom articulating spring shackles on the back ( about 10 inches of extra droop articulation), a two inch body lift and it runs 36 inch Super Swampers on what many might consider "tiny" 15 inch rims. But lots of sidewall that way, good flex. Can really air them down. Extra skid plates everywhere. No ladder bars (that would hamper the off road clearance). I don't have any axle wrap problems. Lockers front and back. Lots of other mods. Been running for over 10 years with these mods. No problems.
If a modest lift for my Armada comes out that will address the independent rear and its air bladder, self leveling shocks (probably a long way off), I'd like to put two more inches of tire diameter into play with 35's. I think the brakes would be adequate.
Just thought the post was a little harsh and off topic. Just a personal opinion. Others may disagree.
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I liked my 2001 Tundra. Interior was much more comfortable, materials better, and the overall build quality was much better. The hood and top weren't wafer thin either. I could also go out and buy good tires- Michelin LTX M/S- that fit the truck.
Mileage wasn't any better than the Titan even with their smaller V8.
The Tundra brakes weren't as good as the Titan's (can you believe it?), with rear DRUMS needing constant adjustments. I had three complete brake swaps (updates, redesign...) in less then 25k and I didn't tow or drive hard.
The reason I bought the Titan was price. It was about 5k less than the Toyota. I really have not been too overly impressed with this vehicle but I'll hold on to it until I see something better. This type of vehicle is a major change for Nissan and I hope they apply their "lessons learned" in the future. with some real metal in the vehicle and new brakes the truck would be much better. The drive train is nearly ideal. I'M GLAD I BOUGHT THE EXTENDED WARRANTY.
No one has stepped back made mention (in this long thread) about the nature and philosophy of Toyota.
Expecting Toyota to produce a truck the likes of it's concept vehicle is like asking Elmer Fudd to be a cool bad azz dude. Toyota is peaches and cream and a seriously conservative company. The concept vehicle is just for the auto show circuit and give Toyota's alter ego a tiny bit of expression....done safely. Look at their last Tundra truck and see how daring that was.
Does anyone really think for a second that they are about to unleash a Frankenstein truck? Get real.
I love seeing people lifting the crap out of their pick-ups...those rear blocks sure are sturdy...
axle wrap is sooo much fun
one tap on a rear tire and you had better start checking your lugs...especially with 35s
question?....when people put all that extra rotating mass (35" tires and large rims) on thier trucks, do they usually also increase the rotor size and get new calipers and pads.............................................. ....no?.....didnt think so.
looks good though
I agree. This is pretty out of line. I'd much rather see a truck lifted, and still be a truck, than lowered, or worse. slammed. Might as well tow it to a crusher after that.
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I agree. This is pretty out of line. I'd much rather see a truck lifted, and still be a truck, than lowered, or worse. slammed. Might as well tow it to a crusher after that.
A truck is a truck, no matter what you do to it. It all looks good. Silly redneck. J/K, about the redneck thing
Yeah, I didn't like to fight when I was a kid. Mainly because it was always that one guy and his four friends that wanted to kick my butt all at the same time.
I agree. This is pretty out of line. I'd much rather see a truck lifted, and still be a truck, than lowered, or worse. slammed. Might as well tow it to a crusher after that.
Amen. Where did that loose lug nut comment come from? I've been offroading for twenty-five years. I use arched leaf spring suspension lift combined with separate body lift spacers between body and frame to get the truck up and articulating shackles to get axle droop to keep both wheels of the same axle on the ground. You can't even use ladder bars with this kind of very typical serious off-road setup.
Some guys I wheel with have as much as six inches of blocks for rear lift. (I admit that blocks on the front of a front leaf spring axle are not a good thing). I've never, never, in twenty five years seen anyone have a properly torqued block rear lift come loose and never, never seen anyone have a problem with lug nuts coming loose, even when we are doing things many would consider insane.
With very high horsepower indiscriminately applied, axle wrap can be a problem, but there are better ways to address that than ladder bars anyway.
We break axles. We break steering linkage. We break universal joints. We break brake lines that may come into contact with something under the truck. Serious off-roading is rough on the weak links in the drive train.
I've even had a rock punch a hole in the oil filter on my jeep (not protected by any of the many skidplates) and had all the oil pour out on the ground. Had to let it sit where it was, get one of the other guys drive me to town, get another filter and oil and replace it all and drive away. I now carry a second filter and enough extra oil to change.
But we do not get loose lug nuts. Even drum brakes on 15 inch wheels can and do stop trucks with tires much larger than 35 inches just fine. Will they stop a truck as quickly at 85 miles per hour on the Interstate as our new Nissans - no. But in an off-road environment or driving at sensible speeds - just fine, thank you.
I don't think the poster has really spent much times in the dirt, sand, mud and woods with real four-wheelers.
No one has stepped back made mention (in this long thread) about the nature and philosophy of Toyota.
Expecting Toyota to produce a truck the likes of it's concept vehicle is like asking Elmer Fudd to be a cool bad azz dude. Toyota is peaches and cream and a seriously conservative company. The concept vehicle is just for the auto show circuit and give Toyota's alter ego a tiny bit of expression....done safely. Look at their last Tundra truck and see how daring that was.
Does anyone really think for a second that they are about to unleash a Frankenstein truck? Get real.
Hmmmmm.....Toyota Supra twin turbo...pretty monster in my book.
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No one has stepped back made mention (in this long thread) about the nature and philosophy of Toyota.
Expecting Toyota to produce a truck the likes of it's concept vehicle is like asking Elmer Fudd to be a cool bad azz dude. Toyota is peaches and cream and a seriously conservative company. The concept vehicle is just for the auto show circuit and give Toyota's alter ego a tiny bit of expression....done safely. Look at their last Tundra truck and see how daring that was.
Does anyone really think for a second that they are about to unleash a Frankenstein truck? Get real.
Toyota is on the consevative side. However they have proven when they want to step it up, they step it up. Seeing the Viper in your avatar you've certainly viewed the tail lights on this Toyota model that isn't quite so conservative now is it.
Toyota is on the consevative side. However they have proven when they want to step it up, they step it up. Seeing the Viper in your avatar you've certainly viewed the tail lights on this Toyota model that isn't quite so conservative now is it.
Toyota is the ultra conservative car company whether you guys want to accept it or not. Granted, the MK4 Supra can be a beast, but they haven't sold it in over 10 years. Even then, most where auto, non-turbo versions. What have they done since? Hmmm....Camry, Corrolla S, echo, prius .....ooohhhh don't forget Scion.
They will update the Tundra and the hp wars will force them to step it up a little but don't expect radical. A little bigger, a little more hp, and a little more updated (which will make a very nice truck), but nothing revolutionary.
Remember, this is a company that tries to sell sports cars with the ads...hey, it looks fast!
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I have to smile when I keep reading about the Toyota Supra "Beast." The guys saying this must be might easily impressed and just don't know about the market back in the late 80's and early to mid 1990's.
The Supra was a luxury sportscar that was seriously overweight to be a contender but had a reasonably stout 6 cyl. turbo engine. In stock form, it was a very nice touring car in the then expensive low to mid $30's. Nothing grand, nothing audacious, certainly nothing cutting edge. The Turbo model produced best Zero to 60 time of 5.8 seconds with lateral force of .96 G. Not exactly a 'beast' as some have called it on this board.
See road test at: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=44256
Toyota responded to the threat of the Nissan 300ZX turbo and the really wild/radical rotary spin meister Mazda RX-7. I know because I was there. I bought a brand new 1995 RX-7 and one of the very last 1996 RX-7's after my 95' was flood damaged in a freak Nor'easter. The RX-7 had a razor's edge rotary with a MAMMOTH 66 cubic inch sequential TWIN turbo charged engine producing about 275 HP at 8K rpms in a 2700 pound roller skate. It developed higher lateral G forces of 1.02 than the hot Ferrari and Lambo of the day. When SUV and truck mania hit in 1995, it was all over for sports cars and sports coupes. By 96' the RX was gone and the Supra stuck it out till 1998 when it too was buried, unloved and forgotten by the truck and SUV crowd.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Toyota's Supra was giving you colorful matched leather trim interiors, deluxe cassette radio and twin zone air conditioning with dynamic stereo speakers. 'Really heady stuff' (for Toyota). Nice car but no brute, no animal, no cutting edge freaky car at all. I know, cause I considered buying it but went for the dedicated racer RX-7 sports car instead.
A Toyota Supra "super car?" Comm'on guys, like I said, get real!
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