Supra TT's ran into the $50k easy. Stock they were nice but modified is a whole different story. Several around here in the 900+ hp mark and still dependable. Just don't drive in the rain! Now that is a beast.
A local guy here use to race modified hyibusha's (sp?) on the freeway because other cars were a joke. He would embarass the bikes too.
btw - how many engines did your 3rd gen RX-7 go through?
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I never had a lick of trouble with my (3rd gen) RX engine....in either car. I had these cars when they were new. The stories of problems started developing years later when the cars were well used and into their 3rd and 4th owners.
The seal and turbo problems became an issue years later when people started modifying the engines. The standard mod was to crank the boost way up for that quick satisfying surge of an extra 100 HP but the heck with any supporting mods to strengthen the seals and internals to handle the additional output. Like any engine, you can't get any free lunch. Newer technology has come on the scene to replace troublesome original parts.
The main problem I experienced was after the 2nd sequential turbo kicked in and a huge power surge occured. This was fine if you were going straight on dry pavement. However, if you got into it on the slightest curve or with even lightly wet pavement, you would lose directional stability. I made more 360 degree loops at speed than I can remember. Really, this did happen. Very scary and potentially dangerous. I went through many different sets of tires till I finally found a really grippy set of rubber that helped quite a bit. Mazda acknowledged the problem but never did anything about it. I learned to stay off the throttle in any moisture and enjoy the car for its strong points. With such little weight, you just had to 'think' turn and the car would execute. It was like a motorcycle on 4 wheels. You could toss and turn it like a go kart. The power was addictive and the looks always drew raves from people. Yes, it was somewhat tight inside but if you want a pure sports car, you've got to accept creature comfort compromises.
The bottom line is that I will always rmember the RX7 as a true gutsy, gritty super handling and very fast sports car. This is before the advent of huge mega horsepower that we are currently living in. Caddies have 475 HP, Bentleys go 0-60 in mid 4 seconds, Mercedes 4 door sedans have 700 HP and do the quarter in 11.2 seconds. Horspower and new transmissions that multiply the massive power even more! "Never enough power to the wheels" is today's auto maker's mantra. The whole darn world of autos has been turned around on its head! I love it!!!!!
Man, 2 3rd gen RX-7 and no problems......luck be a lady! I knew many of those with 2nd and 3rd engines under 50k, unmodified. Most of the time overheated. Then there's non-stop vaccuum issues and usually one of the twins were always sick. But definately, the sexiest sports car in its day and most of todays.
Today's hp is crazy. My ideal sports car is still a porsche 911 RS, and more realistically a 914. Anything over 2000# isn't a sports car. But hey, obviously I'm a dying bred!
Hmmmmm.....Toyota Supra twin turbo...pretty monster in my book.
Used to be. Stopped making them in '98. So for 8 years they haven't made anything with any balls. Sounds like a company I'd like to buy from.
As for if Supra was a super car, no.
When it went out, Vette was faster, and RX7 TT, 300ZTT(Still fastest Nissan) was a tick behind as was the 3000GT. Supra cost the most of these except for the Spyder 3000. All of these cars would have handed an EVO or similar its butt. The Supra in the test quoted earlier must have been an auto or something as the manuals typically hit 0-60 in 4.9-5.0 seconds. Looking at http://www.edmunds.com/used/1998/toy...v..6.Toy ota* shows this.
As for super cars, no. However it does illustrate how little speed has advanced(actually we go slower now) than we did in the early 90s. If Nissan, Toyota, and Mitusbishi had kept up, they would be 0-60 in the High 3s low 4s, quarters in the low 12s to high 11s, and pulling well over a G like the current vette is, which is cheaper inflation adjusted, than a vette or any of the others were in '98..
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Man, 2 3rd gen RX-7 and no problems......luck be a lady! I knew many of those with 2nd and 3rd engines under 50k, unmodified. Most of the time overheated. Then there's non-stop vaccuum issues and usually one of the twins were always sick. But definately, the sexiest sports car in its day and most of todays.
Today's hp is crazy. My ideal sports car is still a porsche 911 RS, and more realistically a 914. Anything over 2000# isn't a sports car. But hey, obviously I'm a dying bred!
Now back to Toyota.....
HP isn't where its at. Not a good representation of what a car can do. High HP just means you can go fast top end, not accelerate fast. TQ gives you acceleration. EX. My Vette has 300 HP/300TQ. It goes 0-60 om 5.0 and quarter in low 13s. A new G35 has the same HP, better aerodynamics, less weight, and goes 0-60 in 5.8 and quarter in low 14s. The difference is the vette has a ballsy torque monster v-8 motor vs. a high reving v6 and the result is it spanks the G35, and just about any other non-v8 with a few notable exceptions like 911.
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I work at the powertrain plant in Decherd. I am not a liberty to say the exact number, but I can say this...the horsepower the V-8 in our Titan has been dyno and it was several more than 325. Hel*, the new V-6 in the Frontier was close to the new Toy-Truck. Like I said, I cannot say the exact HP as I am not allowed, but I did see the paperwork after they did the testing. Don't know why they advertise at 305. That is all I got to say about that!
Supra TT's ran into the $50k easy. Stock they were nice but modified is a whole different story. Several around here in the 900+ hp mark and still dependable. Just don't drive in the rain! Now that is a beast.
A local guy here use to race modified hyibusha's (sp?) on the freeway because other cars were a joke. He would embarass the bikes too.
btw - how many engines did your 3rd gen RX-7 go through?
There is a nice video on the net of a modded supra spanking a Hyabusa up and down the freeway. Now THAT is impressive to say the least being that the Busa can run high nine's in the quarter all day long.
The Walser supra, I believe. There's a reason the race occurs at high speed on highway. Racing from a stop is hard with 900 WHP and an IRS suspension, plus a hayabusa does the 1/4 by 120 or so and from there aerodynamic drag kills it's acceleration, whereas the Supra has almost 1000 HP to push it's way into triple digit land.
Ever heard the joke about what a 400whp supra and 900 HP supra have in common? 12 second 1/4's!!!
Just ribbin' you supra guys!!! From a roll they are very hard to beat and a few guys have got the rear end sorted out enough to run very respectable times ie. the Titan Motorsports Supra.
A single turbo MKIV Toyota Supra is most definately a super car. Stock, I agree it isn't. The stock engine internals are beyond and above super car status, factory short block record is 952 RWHP LOL, thats stock crank, rods and pistons. Also Toyota still races and sells the MKIV supra in Japan. For 15-25K you can get a MKIV supra, install a downpipe, catback and boost controller and say hello to a viper eating 400-450RWHP with factory stock reliability. About $1k in mods nets 100-150 rwhp. A big single or HKS twins on a MKIV makes it just about unbeatable on the freeway. "Super cars" look like chevettes in comparison, beating a big displacement crotch rockets in the top end is actually rather easy. If you don't think the MKIV supra is a super car, your ignorant about cars PERIOD! I just wish my old MKIII supra went like a MKIV. I have way to much fun riding gun/ running camera in my buddies BPU++ MKIV. On the freewyay viper R/t's, Z06's, Mustang Cobra's and today's imports are zero match for a lightly modded supra, multiple busses 70-180mph. The supra is similer to the Titan in that superior engineering gives it the edge, near perfect gear ratio's and an engine that is that just makes you go hmmmm. Somebody show me evidence of another stock short block engine that can spin the dyno to 952rwhp, maybe the RB26DETT powered Nissan Skyline GT-R, thats about it. Guess the Skyline GT-R isn't a "super car either hehe.
There is a nice video on the net of a modded supra spanking a Hyabusa up and down the freeway. Now THAT is impressive to say the least being that the Busa can run high nine's in the quarter all day long.
I've got vid's of sup's beating just about everything thats on the street. Lambo diablo vt 6.0's, murci's , Ferrari's, 911's, vipers, vettes the list goes on and on.
Here's one from my personal collection. ****y camaro driver who disrespected the supra before hand. Wanted to run, took them about 5 min. to list their mods, header, cam, electric cutouts blah blah blah. Where just bpu ++, downpipe, intake, catback, front mount Intercooler, cam gears- dynoed 442 RWHP with 80K miles on stock engine and turbo's. Didn't brake boost hence to turbo lag(token head start) but pulled none the less.
I work at the powertrain plant in Decherd. I am not a liberty to say the exact number, but I can say this...the horsepower the V-8 in our Titan has been dyno and it was several more than 325. Don't know why they advertise at 305. That is all I got to say about that!
Well, the Titan, Q45, and QX56 all share the same engine. Both the Q45 and QX56 run on premium and squeeze 340 and 315 out of the engine. The Titan was originally advertised at 315, but magazine editors hated the fact that a gas guzzler required the expensive dino juice (93 octane). Nissan's response was to make it take 87 and it cut the HP to 305.
Another comment from the editors was that they think Nissan has drastically underrated the Titan's HP output. If that's the case, I don't know WTF they were thinking. If it really has 320 or more, they should advertise it b/c it'll only make the truck look much better than the competition.
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07-28-2005, 12:37 PM
I knew many of those with 2nd and 3rd engines under 50k, unmodified. Most of the time overheated. Then there's non-stop vaccuum issues and usually one of the twins were always sick. But definately, the sexiest sports car in its day and most of todays. 
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