Anyone with Nissan Buy Back on brakes?

Earthdog · 10-03-2004, 03:47 PM

My Titan has been in 4 times for the brake rotor problem (22k in 5 months). I have filed under the Ga Lemon Law for a buy back. The dealer is setting up a meeting with the Nissan Rep. What should I expect?

All I really want is a fair deal on the same truck except 2005. I have been told by the dealer the 05 has a silent fix for the brake issue.

TIA

RememberThisTitan · 10-03-2004, 04:09 PM

I have always heard that it takes forever to eventually see results with the lemon law. Its not a "new truck the next day" kind of thing. I have heard some people wait several months before they actually got the new vehicle.

Truck41 · 10-03-2004, 04:14 PM

your excuse is very weak, i believe you are looking for an out to buy a different brand. you knew going in that this was the first year for nissans full size. the brakes can be corrected if you are patient. the only legitimate buy back issue on this forum, was the seatbelt activation light, now that was serious.

Deepwater · 10-03-2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Truck41

your excuse is very weak, i believe you are looking for an out to buy a different brand. you knew going in that this was the first year for nissans full size. the brakes can be corrected if you are patient. the only legitimate buy back issue on this forum, was the seatbelt activation light, now that was serious.

The ONLY LEGITIMATE buy back issue on this forum?
I strongly have to disagree with you!!!
My truck has been in shop for service for almost 90 DAYS OUT OF THE 6 MONTHS OR SO THAT I HAVE OWNED IT!!!
There are alot of problems with my truck and I"ll tell you they are ALL LEGITIMATE!

PHOEBISIS · 10-03-2004, 04:33 PM

I bet they offer you a 5th fix;they will say that they finally have the correct Service B out,and it will 100% work.If they have a fix for the 05,I'm sure they can retrofit it to the 04.This will be their reasoning.
On a buy back,isn't there some depreciation for miles used?If there is they will kill you on the 22000 miles-you would get maybe 80% of what you paid minus sales tax etc.
I'm probably wrong on this,just guessing.
They might do just what you want-a good deal on a 05-sure would be nice if they did.
A couple of questions,if you don't mind.I'm curious about risk factors for brake problems.
1)Do you tow?
2)Do you carry a payload often?
3)City or hy driving-mainly?
4)Would you describe yourself as a "fast" or hard driver,or are you more sedate no rushing grandfather type?
5)Is your driving in a hilly area,or mainly flat?
Not trying to blame you,the truck is a truck and it should be able to take some rough handling-heavy towing,heavy payloads,hills,etc.
Might be interesting to poll the folks who have brake problems to see if anything jumps out-like towing,or hilly area,or hard city driving on a deadline?
Thanks,Charlie

Earthdog · 10-03-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Truck41

your excuse is very weak, i believe you are looking for an out to buy a different brand. you knew going in that this was the first year for nissans full size. the brakes can be corrected if you are patient. the only legitimate buy back issue on this forum, was the seatbelt activation light, now that was serious.

I have no idea where your BS came from. I clearly stated I wanted a corrected 2005. And if you understood the dynamics of ABS you would understand how rotor issues significantly effect ABS. Warped rotors cause the ABS computer to think the truck is in a slide or in an off road situation (gravel, sand, etc..). Ask any brake specialist which I have 2 different companies and they confirm this rotor issue is a SAFETY ISSUE!

I have another question for you...

Does my wife, my son, me or my grandson have to die to confirm that brake issues are serious?

I sure hope not!

As I previously stated all I want is a fixed truck and Nissan's agent can't do the job.

Earthdog · 10-03-2004, 04:43 PM

Phobeis;

Mainly city driving. I have put about 2k towing a 4000lbs. trailer with a light load. After the last attempt (New Rotors 60 days ago) I have done no towing. I tend to drive more like a grandpa I tend to get 18mpg so I drive pretty easy. I do like in a hilly area.

DallasTitan · 10-03-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthdog

My Titan has been in 4 times for the brake rotor problem (22k in 5 months). I have filed under the Ga Lemon Law for a buy back. The dealer is setting up a meeting with the Nissan Rep. What should I expect?

All I really want is a fair deal on the same truck except 2005. I have been told by the dealer the 05 has a silent fix for the brake issue.

TIA

I agree with your claim and hope your case would set an example for the rest of us with brake problems to plead our case.

Good Luck!

Titan4UGA · 10-03-2004, 05:33 PM

I think you will most likely win if you have had problems. The Georgia "Lemon Law" is very very easy to have an out verus some states. Let us know the outcome.

garo1 · 10-03-2004, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthdog

My Titan has been in 4 times for the brake rotor problem (22k in 5 months). I have filed under the Ga Lemon Law for a buy back. The dealer is setting up a meeting with the Nissan Rep. What should I expect?

All I really want is a fair deal on the same truck except 2005. I have been told by the dealer the 05 has a silent fix for the brake issue.

TIA

I agree that Nissan should take back the truck. It is a huge safety concern and there have been other safety issues other than the seat belt. There was a buy back on this forum when the dealer could not repair the air bag sensor in the passenger seat. Good luck.

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cplupton · 10-09-2004, 05:12 AM

warped brake rotors also cause the pads to get hot while the vehicle is driving and brake fade becomes an issue then, that is serious. i had to have mine replaced because the rotors were slightly warped causing the brakes to ride on the rotor harder during normal driving when not braking. this caused them to already be hot, so when i hit the brakes they felt mushy and i almost rear ended a few people. they replaced them and so far they work great, night and day difference. but i would strongly disagree with the statement that the brake issue is not a safety issue. thats BS!! brakes are the only things that keep you alive on a daily basis in your vehicle, if you didnt have them, you would surely get into an accident.

40-Dan · 10-09-2004, 07:29 AM

Earthdog,

DON'T deal w/ the bastards yourself. They will be MUCH smoother than the slickest F&I guy you've ever seen. GET A LAWYER.

GA's lemon law allows attorneys to seek payment from the manufacturer in addition to the settlement you are looking for. You shouldn't have to pay a DIME for this.

You probably will have to give them one more chance to repair. This should have been attempt number 4 if you documented it correctly.

I was in the process of starting a lemon law / magnusson moss claim when my electrical problem got fixed on the LAST attempt. You may have simliar results.

Let us know how it goes.
Dan

PHOEBISIS · 10-09-2004, 10:41 AM

Earthdog,thanks for the info,from the number of problems,it looks like the brakes were just underdesigned for a big,heavy powerful truck.It is really stunning how common this problem is in full sized trucks across the entire 1/2 ton pickup lineup(Toyota,Ford,Chevy,Nissan forums are loaded with brake problems).Bottom line is that it is your fault for towing and living in a hilly area!(Just kidding).
Toyota(had a Tundra for couple of years,nice truck) had huge problems with exactly the same thing-repeated warping of the front rotors,and a problem with the rear drum.Many members of the Tundra forum had had 2,3,4 redo's of the front discs.Finally in 2003(4th model year?) they came out with a TSB that is supposed to be the definitive fix-a $1800 dollar fix that involved newly designed front calipers,usually new rotors,and some change in the rear also.I haven't gone to tundrasolutions.org in a while,so I don't know if it is effective-guessing yes.I think the claim was that the old calipers-pads didn't suck heat away from the rotors quickly enough,and the rotor temp would get too high???Who knows.
It is surprising that the 1/2 ton manu. don't detect and eliminate these problems in pre production testing!?What a mystery,brake rotors get very,very hot,and they warp when they get too hot.I wonder if extremely rapid cooling(say when you run into a puddle after heavy towing) can induce warping?Rains a lot in some places?They aren't race brakes,so they don't need to heat up to work,so why can't they design enough heat capacity into them.They must be walking a fine line between cost,weight etc.They ought to just overdesign them from the get go(cost -weight-mpg -performance-ride quality(more unsprung weight))is why they don't of course-I guess??
Hope you get your new truck,or that they do a definitive TSB.It took Toyota 3 years(and several TSBs) before they fixed their brake problems(if they did fix them).Thanks for the info,Charlie

Tom Roper · 10-09-2004, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PHOEBISIS

It is really stunning how common this problem is in full sized trucks across the entire 1/2 ton pickup lineup(Toyota,Ford,Chevy,Nissan forums are loaded with brake problems).Bottom line is that it is your fault for towing and living in a hilly area!(Just kidding).
Toyota(had a Tundra for couple of years,nice truck) had huge problems with exactly the same thing-repeated warping of the front rotors,and a problem with the rear

I can't entirely agree. The Tundra brake woes have certainly been sufficiently documented, but my last (2) Chevrolets had wonderful brakes, 40,000 miles on the '99 and 46,000 on the '01. Not a single problem, no warpage, great pad life, and no brake dust from the ceramic pads.

That said, there's not a hint of warpage on my '04 Titan's brakes with 2,600, although that's early. They produce lots of black brake dust however. I really believe how you drive has something to do with this. I'm not convinced that Titan brakes are undersized.

In fact, I think the most important thing you should do is go out there and check those wheel lugs to make sure they are not over-torqued. It's mentioned in the TSBs, and the symptoms (warpage) may not appear right away.

If you're reading this far...I have an old '89 class C Ford motorhome GVWR 12,500 built on Ford's 1 ton van chassis, with front discs and rear drums. Driving it like Mario Andretti down Monarch Pass, by the time I got to the bottom the brake pedal went to the floor and nothing(!) at about 60 mph. Pumped them quickly and got some braking back, pulled over to let them cool. I had an infrared pyrometer that I use at work with me, and I got a readout on the disc temperature, don't remember exactly what it was, but something like 350-400F. Kept going back and checking to discs to see when they were cool, and what I learned was how shockingly long it takes for overheated brakes to cool down. The corollary of that is true also, meaning they don't build up heat right away, and they don't dissipate it right away either. It takes hard use over time to build up the heat, and time to cool them down. To me, the warpage phenomena is more than just simple overheating or hard braking. (Those motorhome brakes did not warp, by the way.) Warpage may also be caused by stress relief when metal is removed, or introduced by excessive torque on the lug nuts. My $0.02