Detroit Locker, ARB air locker, Easton e-locker

pluckyew · 11-04-2004, 04:02 PM

Anyone know how i can get a Detroit mechanical rear axle differential Locker?

or ARBs or E-Lockers on axle differentials?

i love driving my Titan, oh yeaa,

the "problem" is my Titan aint got no factory e-locker

juma · 11-04-2004, 04:32 PM

pm the head - he's researched this a bit and found a locking system that would probably work. I just forget the name....juma

gstlouis · 11-04-2004, 07:51 PM

Whats wrong with the factory e-locker in back? I am in the process of researching and was thinking of getting the OR package becase of the locker.

Greg

Titan4metoo · 11-04-2004, 07:56 PM

Factory e-locker only works in 4x4 lo

*OnebadSE* · 11-04-2004, 07:59 PM

The factory E-lock works great IMHO. I've used it a few times in sand and mud. A mechanical locker will work anytime the wheels spin though, unlike the E-lock which has to be in 4LO and shouldn't be used over 12 MPH. It's mainly for emergency situations concidering you wouldn't was to go around sharp corners while acceleration with the rears locks. I can remember the POSI LSD rear on my 72 Nova. Deadly in the rain if not careful.

Sammy Sandbag · 11-04-2004, 08:18 PM

Do you really want an automatic locker on your daily driver though? The popping and jerking would be a no go for me. I mean they're great for trail rigs, but I wouldn't want it on anything remotely as nice as the Titan.

NorCal 4x4 · 11-04-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gstlouis

Whats wrong with the factory e-locker in back? I am in the process of researching and was thinking of getting the OR package becase of the locker.

Greg

Pluckyew, (the Titan Talk member), might not have the E-LOCK®, because if the the Titan's Off Road pkg. was on a build date before around March or April '04, it wasn't available. Also, the Titan's front diff. doesn't lock.

*OnebadSE* · 11-04-2004, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sammy sandbag

Do you really want am authomatic locker on your daily driver though? The popping and jerking would be a no go for me. I mean they're great for trail rigs, but I wouldn't want it on anything remotely as nice as the Titan.

Any LSD I've owned made no noise at all. It just locks up the opposing when it slipped. The E-LOCK doesn't make any noise either.

The fronts don't lock but the ABLS, Active Brake Limited Slip, is active on both the front and the rear of 4X4 models.

Sammy Sandbag · 11-04-2004, 08:46 PM

I didn't say LSD, I said automatic locker, they are two completely different things, as are selectable lockers (like the E-locker and ARB) and auto lockers. A limited slip isn't a locker to begin with, hence the name, most use clutch packs to reduce slip. Selectable lockers act like spools when engaged, both axles turn at the same speed. Automatic lockers keep either axle from turning slower than the ring gear.

TYTAIN · 11-05-2004, 05:00 AM

Does anyone know a way to wire around the only in 4 low deal, if you could push the button in 2 wheel or wheel high that would be a big help! Haven't been offroad yet not sure how the ABLS works. Anybody know if the ABLS is as good as a locking diff?

NorCal 4x4 · 11-05-2004, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TYTAIN

Does anyone know a way to wire around the only in 4 low deal, if you could push the button in 2 wheel or wheel high that would be a big help! Haven't been offroad yet not sure how the ABLS works. Anybody know if the ABLS is as good as a locking diff?

If you could find a way, you would still be limited to 12 mph maximum speed. 4LO limits you to 31 mph, so the 12 mph isn't due to 4LO, it is limited by E-LOCK® itself.

The Titan Owner's Manual, (p. 5-22), states that the maximum speeds for 4WD are approximately: 4H = 62.5 mph; 4LO = 31 mph, [must stop, and shift into neutral to go into 4LO]; and with E-LOCK® engaged, 12 mph maximum (p. 2-30). [Must stop or be going less than 4 mph to engage E-LOCK®].

Driving faster than the above numbers, or on dry pavement, can damage drivetrain components.

As far as ABLS, in many cases, it would be good, and can be useful at higher speeds, (than 12 mph), but climbing up a really step bank, with mud or loose material, E-LOCK® would crawl up better, and the rear wheels wouldn't even start to spin, unless they both were spinning, at the same time.

JerseyDirt · 11-05-2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TYTAIN

Does anyone know a way to wire around the only in 4 low deal, if you could push the button in 2 wheel or wheel high that would be a big help! Haven't been offroad yet not sure how the ABLS works. Anybody know if the ABLS is as good as a locking diff?

I dont know of a way but I'm positive it can be done. Worst case you would just run the switch directly to selenoid on the rear diff which enagages the e-locker and you could activate it whenever you want. Nissan doesn't limit use of the e-locker to 4 Lo because of mechanical constraints. They do it because they know some moron would hit the e-locker button on the highway whenever it started to flurry, thinking it will give them more traction. This would quickly grind away the rear gears and the aforementioned moron would be at the dealer asking Nissan to fix it under warrantee. Many people dont understand how to properly use e-locker (or part time 4WD) and that's why Nissan makes it idiot proof by only allowing its use in 4low. They are simply reducing their liabilities.

JD

pluckyew · 11-05-2004, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gstlouis

Whats wrong with the factory e-locker in back? I am in the process of researching and was thinking of getting the OR package becase of the locker.

Greg

'Whats wrong with the factory e-locker in back? "

answer: my early model Titan aint got it.
I've considering selling or trading in my Titan (for a Titan, a 6-seater LE with e-locker), but that seem like wasting money, maybe better value to get the after market lockers (any type)

The ABLS electronic limited slip differential brake is a joke for off-road trails

to me all that Titan needs are traction aids: lockers, front and back.
raising it would erode handling and braking - and i hardly ever frod a river that high. stock 11.5 x33.5 rummbers are big enough tires for most off road tires. (i'm not into prooving on Rubican-type rock trails...i just want to get ty my hunting or fishing or mt. biking sites and get back to work by Monday morning.)

*OnebadSE* · 11-05-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy sandbag

I didn't say LSD, I said automatic locker, they are two completely different things, as are selectable lockers (like the E-locker and ARB) and auto lockers. A limited slip isn't a locker to begin with, hence the name, most use clutch packs to reduce slip. Selectable lockers act like spools when engaged, both axles turn at the same speed. Automatic lockers keep either axle from turning slower than the ring gear.

You either have a LOCKER, which you select when you want it locked, or an LSD....which most certainly DOES lock both rear wheels together when one slips a certain percentage of the opposing wheel. Different companies have a different percentage of slip before locking but they do lock. Some are centrifical while others use a clutchpack. You'll have to explain just what an auto-locker is. I've never heard of such a thing. If its unlocked then locks by itself when one wheel slips, it's a Limited Slip, not a locker.

*OnebadSE* · 11-05-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pluckyew

'Whats wrong with the factory e-locker in back? "

answer: my early model Titan aint got it.
I've considering selling or trading in my Titan (for a Titan, a 6-seater LE with e-locker), but that seem like wasting money, maybe better value to get the after market lockers (any type)

The ABLS electronic limited slip differential brake is a joke.

to me all that Titan needs are traction aids: lockers, front and back.
raising it would erode handling and braking - and i hardly ever frod a river that high. stock 11.5 x33.5 rummbers are big enough tires for most off road tires. (i'm not into prooving on Rubican-type rock trails...i just want to get ty my hunting or fishing or mt. biking sites and get back to work by Monday morning.)

Agree and disagree. the ABLS is a joke if what you want to do is rock crawl with the truck or low speed difficult trails (locker helps for that). But if you drive in snow, sand or mud, it works very well. The nice thing about it is that unlike traction control, ABLS doesn't touch engine power. It just slows the slipping wheel enough to transfer power to the other wheel. You're right, it's not meant for off-road competition, it does work great in the other instances I mentioned. At least it has for me.