Just dropped the truck off...

1BadTitan · 12-17-2004, 08:08 AM

You guys wouldnt believe what I saw when I took my Titan in for the brake judder...AGAIN!!! The shop was full of Titans. There must have been 7 of them in there. They were very aware of the trouble with the brakes and say it will not be too long before there is a recall and the rotors will be replaced with the larger ones. But they also said, don't hold your breath. Figures.

SarkaZm · 12-17-2004, 08:37 PM

Interesting...but that will be a year out if at all. Do the 05's have larger disks?

1BadTitan · 12-17-2004, 09:02 PM

The 05's have 14" rotors...I think.

*Titan_TX* · 12-17-2004, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1BadTitan

The 05's have 14" rotors...I think.

Uh no. LOL. The 2005 model has the same exact size rotor as 04.

emt293 · 12-18-2004, 02:13 PM

after getting my first brake job done this past week the dealer told me the same thing.there might be a recall in spring i guess we can just wait and see

Clint · 12-18-2004, 02:31 PM

Not all of the brake problems belong to Nissan. One big factor is who is driving the car. Some people have a heavy foot on the brakes and contribute to the cause, others drive the same trucks and never experience this. Why not? Sitting here and reading many of the posts in this forum and come to the conclusion that some members look too hard to nit pick and find anything wrong they can.

Clint

**CaliforniaTitan** · 12-18-2004, 03:26 PM

'05 rotors are the same as the TSB ones you get on the '04.

As far as the post above mine here...That sounds like a dealer response until you take them for a ride and show them you drive like a normal person and that you put apprx 30-40k on EACH vehicle you have a year and have no issues on any of the others...

After going through it with the '04 and now starting with the '05 (just over 5k on the new one and have the judder the first time now)- there is a problem with them...whether it be the Master cylinder is too biased to the fronts, the calipers not releasing correctly and dragging, the pad and rotor material being cheap or whatever it is the bottom line is Nissan needs to get the real fix out and not a bandaid...THEN you will see a decline in postings of this problem on this and other Titan forums.

Chris

Optimist · 12-18-2004, 03:30 PM

Clint, I agree absolutely about “nit pick” but the brakes seems certifiable, matter of fact I consider it almost an anomaly for one not to experience brake issue by 15,000 miles. I drive conservatively, feather the brakes lightly, avoid hard or braking entirely after hitting a puddle, my towing has been light & I have not allowed an impact wrench post production touch my wheels & still had judder around 8k miles. I do drive mostly city with much stop & go but still never ride the brakes or race to a stop. @13,000 rotors & all were replaced on 1st complaint. The frequency w/ what other members share this concern, the feedback from some shop managers & considering this is my singular complaint lead me to believe this is a problem.

TitanicSE · 12-18-2004, 04:27 PM

"They were very aware of the trouble with the brakes and say it will not be too long before there is a recall and the rotors will be replaced with the larger ones. But they also said, don't hold your breath. Figures."

Sounds like he has no idea what he's taking about (the tech I mean). Are they going to replace them or not?...He contradicts himself.

In order to replace the rotors with larger ones, they'd have to change the calipers as well. Very doubtful. Would be cheaper to just replace them under warranty as needed. or maybe change rotor/pad brands.

keiffers · 12-18-2004, 04:54 PM

I have to agree with Clint. While I'll say there probably is some fault on Nissan for the problems being experienced, I think a good number of people nit-pick far to often. Just because you drive normally when the service writer/tech is in your car, doesn't mean you do it all the time. I could sit here and say that I do everything the way the manual says it should be done, but how do you know for sure that I do. Now that is not to say that I am calling everyone a liar who says they drive this way or they drive that way, but we all drive our own way...what we feel comfortable with. I'm sure a good number of us (myself included) probably drive a bit hard sometimes. I noticed my first judder after I slammed on the brakes to keep from becoming part of a Mercury Cougars trunk, but this last time was from normal driving. As my service advisor agreed, it's MAN MADE so it's going to have problems, regardless of whether it is the fault of the maker or the fault of the owner. Nissan is making a concerted effort to resolve the problem in my opinion. I just hate the fact that so many people are quick to blame Nissan for any and all problems that are out there with the Titan. It's a first year model, what do you expect (I know I'll probably get flamed but most anyone I talk to about it says the same thing). It's just a big learning experience.

Have been down the route with my Tundra on brake rotors, etc. They had a TSB for them for my 2002 and replaced (eventually) the rotors, calipers, pads and drums because they didn't put large enough ones on at the factory to begin with. I think eventually Nissan will be doing the same thing Toyota did. Probably not a recall but rather a TSB to get the larger rotors, etc.

Gearman1987 · 12-18-2004, 08:15 PM

Yep - The brakes must be a "nit pick" user problem - that's why Nissan issued a TSB and there is a rumored recall - because Nissan is going to give in and spend bundles of money on a user iduced/imagined "nit pick" problem. Riduculous assumption. I buy a new vehicle about every 18-24 months and have for nearly 20 years - all new cars except 2 or 3 - Bottom line is I really don't "imagine" problems -or have ever taken a vehicle back to a dealer so many times in 9 months as I did my Titan - which after 22,000 miles was ready for it's 3rd set of rotors -it's funny that I never had to convince or twist the service departments arm - they drove the truck and "nit picked" and imagined the same problem. After all the post here, and else where, and Nissan acknowledgement of the issue how can you say it's "nit picking"?

Clint · 12-18-2004, 08:30 PM

I'm sure many of you are driving and as you're approaching a light it starts to change to red. Have you also let up on the gas to loose speed without the brakes? Of course you have. It saves the brakes from excessive wear and heat.
Now I'm sure you've also noticed the pin head who flies past you, only to have to apply his brakes a bit firmly to stop. He, almost guarenteed has warped rotors. Now, I'm not pointing any fingers at a specific person but being honest haven't we read posts by people who try and race these trucks like they are in my 1970 Chevelle SS 454? Guess what? These trucks aren't race cars and because they weigh a freaking ton it takes a bit of heat in the brakes to slow it down too. My Chevelle, that's another story, it was built for speed even before I worked the motor, just under 600 HP.

Clint

Gearman1987 · 12-19-2004, 04:12 AM

So it isn't an imagined - nit picked problem - it's people who race their truck to the light problem - and all these poeple with warped rotors just don't know how to drive a truck - if that were true wouldn't it be cheaper for Nissan to give each new Titan owner a driving/braking course at delivery. By the way Clint, my understanding is that the Maxima has bigger rotors than the Titan. The only two possible conclusions I have from your post are these (1) you might be a Nissan customer service/public relations troll, or (2) common sense is truely useless.

I see your a brake expert too , , , 3rd post down....

stranded...thanks to dealer

JohnC · 12-19-2004, 06:12 AM

hmmm. Nissan built a truck they tout as having more power and more towing ability than the competition. Who do you think they’re marketing towards? Little old lady's that never go above 20mph? Of course not, their after people who want/use the power, for play or work(towing). The brakes should hold up to this usage. On paper the brakes are probably fine. I can tell you their brakes stop a heck of a lot better than the ones on my Avalanche. The Avalanche's brakes didn't warp in the 36k miles I owned it, but damn did I sweat every time I had to make a sudden stop. Possibly the pads Nissan chose are a little aggressive for the rotors/calipers ability to dissipate heat? Maybe there are just enough build variances to cause some vehicles to have the issue and not the others?

As an example. I owned a 99' Corvette for a couple of years, and was active on a Vette forum. A number of us were warping rotors very quickly, others were not. I tried changing my driving style, because of messages similar to the ones here, it didn't help. Some of the guys were tracking their cars and not warping the rotors, so even though I drive pretty aggressively, I don't heat up brakes like an AutoXer. I tried aftermarket ‘Bear’ rotors, which lasted twice as long, but still eventually started to warp. Maybe my hubs weren't true, or the wheels, or..... My next car was an NSX, which has similar weight, stopping ability, yet smaller rotors. I did NOT baby that car, or it's brakes. 2 years, no warping, well except for my face which was warped into a perminent smile<g>. So was the Vette’s warping my fault? Chevy’s fault? Just the luck of the draw

My Point? Just because someone is having an issue with rotors, doesn't mean it's their fault, or something Nissan can quickly resolve. It does mean it's a serious issue for those that have the warping, and they'll be stuck replacing rotors until there’s an answer from Nissan, or the aftermarket. Possibly they wont get an answer through their Titan ownership(which I hope isn't the case). Fighting about whether someone should be upset about this issue is a waste of time. IMHO.

My Titan is new, so no warping. But, with all the acceleration this truck is capable of, I'm sure I'll have some hard stops. I'll never let my truck sit still with hot rotors, but if my Titan’s rotors have any propensity to warp, I'll warp them. So, thanks to all those that have been struggling with this issue the last year. I hope you get an answer soon, so I don't have to join you

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TitanicSE · 12-19-2004, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearman1987

So it isn't an imagined - nit picked problem - it's people who race their truck to the light problem - and all these poeple with warped rotors just don't know how to drive a truck - if that were true wouldn't it be cheaper for Nissan to give each new Titan owner a driving/braking course at delivery. By the way Clint, my understanding is that the Maxima has bigger rotors than the Titan. The only two possible conclusions I have from your post are these (1) you might be a Nissan customer service/public relations troll, or (2) common sense is truely useless.

I see your a brake expert too , , , 3rd post down....

stranded...thanks to dealer

Hey... Captain sarcasmo, What's wrong?..we can't disagree without all the 3rd grade sarcasm? Right or wrong, we can all have an opinion. Grow up.