Nissan Refusing to Warrentee!!!!!! - Page 2

raskm · 01-17-2005, 10:44 PM

Yes it is.....I have not had issues yet, but I think the no issues under 15000 might have to much influence on actual numbers....As I only have 2500...so If you have someone that just bought there truck with only 20 miles on there brakes and post? This could be more interesting if it would reflect under 1500?
I have been drinking so I do not know if I made sense?

NorCal 4x4 · 01-17-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raskm

Yes it is.....I have not had issues yet, but I think the no issues under 15000 might have to much influence on actual numbers....As I only have 2500...so If you have someone that just bought there truck with only 20 miles on there brakes and post? This could be more interesting if it would reflect under 1500?
I have been drinking so I do not know if I made sense?

Good point on the categories - i.e. someone with only 20 miles selecting no problems. Have another drink you deserve it for that keen observation, (unless you are going to drive the Titan tonight).

37L1 · 01-17-2005, 11:47 PM

So how many do you think posted as no brake problems with 20 miles on their Titans?

I think it is more likely that the ratio is about right, 1/3 of those posting have had their brakes judder and repaired more than once within 15,000 miles and 2/3 have had theirs done once or not at all at <>15,000. Or if you want 45% have not had the judder at all under 15000. When this poll was first posted there was no place for those without the brake problem to vote. How skewed would that have been?

One out of three or 1 out of 2 is still too high a ratio. It also seems that not everyone will have this problem. Now the questions are, why have some not had this problem and is the problem as pervasive as some of the posters on this site seem to indicate?

The premise of this thread was to gather momentum for a recall and Nissan to honor their warranty.

Whaddya think?

NorCal 4x4 · 01-18-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 37L1

So how many do you think posted as no brake problems with 20 miles on their Titans?

I think it is more likely that the ratio is about right, 1/3 of those posting have had their brakes judder and repaired more than once within 15,000 miles and 2/3 have had theirs done once or not at all at <>15,000. Or if you want 45% have not had the judder at all under 15000. When this poll was first posted there was no place for those without the brake problem to vote. How skewed would that have been?

One out of three or 1 out of 2 is still too high a ratio. It also seems that not everyone will have this problem. Now the questions are, why have some not had this problem and is the problem as pervasive as some of the posters on this site seem to indicate?

The premise of this thread was to gather momentum for a recall and Nissan to honor their warranty.

Whaddya think?

I would think quite a few selected no problems that have less than 5000 miles. A poll needs to be statistically sound if it's going to have validity, and have a random participation. But they are still interesting and fun. I'm just saying that raskm had a good point.

I posted on this thread earlier with some advise and a link to the CT Lemon law, so I'm trying to help Davink, not cause him anymore frustration.

What will make Nissan honor its warranty is the threat of, or actual litigation, and when they realize their reputation is being ruined. As I mentioned before, they don't have a loyal large truck customer base that will blindly buy Nissan like the Ford etc. do.

And they had better get a handle on their dealers' service departments, if they are the problem.

The Nissan service writer told me that Brake "shimmy", [Brake Judder], is very common on Titans with over 7000 miles. Mine had just over that when it hit on mine. So, to me the issue is common knowledge, and an easy court case to win, if Nissan is stupid enough to start pushing back.

Tom Roper · 01-18-2005, 03:00 AM

I didn't vote on the poll because I only have 7500 miles, and had the TSB done once. So by rights I need to have 15,000 miles on my truck to be statistically honest, i.e. I agree with raskm and swarren1.

That said, if Nissan believes in their trucks, would they not agree that someone who chooses one is being keen and perceptive in their choice? So how is it they figure we're enlightened smart shoppers but we're such dumb-a$$es that we don't know how to use brakes?

My advice to Nissan is if they want to say that we don't know how to use brakes, they should be telling how to, just like they spend about 10-20 pages in the owner's manual telling us how to put on seat belts and baby seats.

Tom Roper · 01-18-2005, 03:06 AM

and...

Nissan better NOT be redesigning brakes for mid '05 - '06, only to be denying to '04 and early '05 owners that there is a problem...yeah..."you just need to learn how to use the brakes properly."

NorCal 4x4 · 01-18-2005, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Roper

I didn't vote on the poll because I only have 7500 miles, and had the TSB done once. So by rights I need to have 15,000 miles on my truck to be statistically honest, i.e. I agree with raskm and swarren1.

That said, if Nissan believes in their trucks, would they not agree that someone who chooses one is being keen and perceptive in their choice? So how is it they figure we're enlightened smart shoppers but we're such dumb-a$$es that we don't know how to use brakes?

My advice to Nissan is if they want to say that we don't know how to use brakes, they should be telling how to, just like they spend about 10-20 pages in the owner's manual telling us how to put on seat belts and baby seats.

Good morning Tom,
I think Nissan legal knows that most of us cannot find a lawyer unless it is a high $ case, i.e. a personal injury or death case, hence seatbelt and baby seat pages.

However, at least in California, we have small claims court with a $5000 max. Not a whole lot, but enough to pay for aftermarket brakes and the 18" wheels and tires one of the manufactures requires.

BTW If anyone thinks my comments are anti-Titan read this: http://www.titantalk.com/forums/show...141#post238141

I just hate injustice, and if Nissan Corp. ever does refuse to fix anyones brakes even after warranty, when there is a well known design flaw, they should be sued, IMO.

*joekrz* · 01-18-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Clint

Last item is, this site needs a spell check option on it. I'm not a scholar by any means, but there are so many misspelled words in some posts it ends up making the person posting look bad.

Clint

God forbid that a person actually has to think or look up a word in the dictionary. Too many people rely on spell checkers and will never learn. On another note, quit being one of those people that have to point out the mistakes of others.

logicjunky · 01-18-2005, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by joekrz

God forbid that a person actually has to think or look up a word in the dictionary. Too many people rely on spell checkers and will never learn. On another note, quit being one of those people that have to point out the mistakes of others.

Amen!!!

Nobody is perfect...

raskm · 01-18-2005, 08:02 AM

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Amen!!!

Nobody is perfect...

HMMM......I drank a few beers. I just type to get my point across. I didn't know we are righting a book? You always have a few in the bunch...

37L1 · 01-18-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by swarren1

I would think quite a few selected no problems that have less than 5000 miles. A poll needs to be statistically sound if it's going to have validity, and have a random participation. But they are still interesting and fun. I'm just saying that raskm had a good point.

Why guess?

Maybe the poll needs to have a method of indicating how many miles on the Titan when the vote was cast? Also a way to indicate the miles at the time of the TSB's?

The poll was initially posted without an option to indicate that no TSB has been done so how "statistically sound" would those results have been? Maybe we need a new poll?

We still have the issue of explaining why there are Titans that have not had the brake problem at over 15000 miles and counting. Why do you think that is?

I'm sure Nissan Corporate knows the exact number of brake repairs done under warranty. Maybe we could induce them to share this information on the way to getting the brakes improved?

Any ideas?

raskm · 01-18-2005, 08:53 AM

Very good point......37L1

As you know we have seen many threads on here about brakes.....Some towing and some with everyday driving habits with the problem. I have a few vehicles in the past with warped rotors and I am very easy on my brakes becuase of past problems, but it seems people are having problems doing the same as myself. I also feel turning the rotors as a fix is why people are going in 3 or 4 times....Rotors get thin and warp.
I think NISSAN has a hugh and exspensive problem now and I HOPE to see them fix this problem soon....I'm sure Nissan has the numbers, but I don't think they would reveal them...I would like to see them...
I have a friend with a Tundra (2002) that had brake issues...they turned the rotors and everything was fine. He drove it out of warrenty and they had a TSB for new rotors, calipers, and pads.......$2,500 out of his pocket. This is what I am afraid of now. So maybe I wish I had problems...

*joekrz* · 01-18-2005, 08:54 AM

I responded to the poll. At 7500 miles I don't even have the slightest hint of a judder, shake or any mushy feelings. Build date on mine is 8/4/04. Still makes me wonder why some are having the problem and others are not. A few thoughts that do come to mind are 1.) Was there a bad run of steel on some of the rotors at the factory? 2.) Were the lug nuts over-tightened at the factory causing this problem on some? 3.) Was there a bad run of brake pads?

JMC · 01-18-2005, 08:58 AM

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We still have the issue of explaining why there are Titans that have not had the brake problem at over 15000 miles and counting. Why do you think that is?

How about different batches of rotors........which include different "brews" of metal....or should I say "pot metal" for us with the judder. My judder started at 3k and by 5k it was really bad. I opted for the inexpensive drilled and slotted rotors and have been judder free for 2k miles.

NorCal 4x4 · 01-18-2005, 09:01 AM

Probably the only way to get this information from Nissan would be if you were actually suing them and subpoenaed them. Then you probably would not be allowed to share the information with others.

Poll design, I don't have the answer to that. Maybe the multiple voting option: 1st have you had the problem; 2nd how many times; 3rd give some sort of mileage ranges.
EDIT: And use the public switch so answers can be verified by the courts.

But even if it was a perfect design, with close to 5000 members and maybe a couple of hundred people voting, it wouldn't be a random sample. It does at least show others do have the problem, and some multiple times.