are titan's really 'underbraked' (one last look at a dead horse...hopefully)

stick · 01-20-2005, 12:26 PM

here's a good quote for all you 'my brakes were designed for a big wheel' titan guys and trolls out there from the article on the other thread...http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...y/04-4way.html

"A point aptly proved when the Titan, which can be run in either 2wd or 4wd mode, ended up being the quickest accelerating and fastest stopping of the foursome on the Gulfport Dragway's (Gulfport, Mississippi) quarter-mile track."

not to say that they are perfect brakes by any means but titans are not 'underbraked' as some see it. do they need to be changed? yes? is it a design 'oops we didn't realize these brakes could stop such a big truck'? nope.

love on people!!!!

*joekrz* · 01-20-2005, 12:44 PM

I guess it depends on who you ask on this website. If you ask me I would say no, because I don't have any brake issues. Of course there are those that have had multiple troubles even with the TSB fix. Can't figure it out.

stick · 01-20-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joekrz

I guess it depends on who you ask on this website. If you ask me I would say no, because I don't have any brake issues. Of course there are those that have had multiple troubles even with the TSB fix. Can't figure it out.

to me 'underbraked' is 'we can't stop this' which is untrue. 'judder' is design flaw and/or driving habits. the simple fact that some people, like yourself, and others have no issues means there is no overall 'underbrake' issue.

QWIKWHIP · 01-20-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stick

to me 'underbraked' is 'we can't stop this' which is untrue. 'judder' is design flaw and/or driving habits. the simple fact that some people, like yourself, and others have no issues means there is no overall 'underbrake' issue.

I agree 100%

Armada · 01-20-2005, 01:49 PM

Perhaps there were some quality control issues, which some experienced with the early and sometimes persistent problems with premature rotor and pad wear. I was not one of the ones with a problem. I'm at 12,000 miles and have never had a problem with the brakes, or anything else.

My truck is a 4x4 Armada Offroad, and considerably heavier than any of the Titans. I have also been towing a 24 foot equipment trailer with farm tractor and impliments with a total weight of approximately 8,000 lbs. I pull the trailer infrequently but enough to assess normal and emergency braking (I do have electrics on the trailer). I conclude that our trucks are not underbraked.

I also have an F-250 Superduty 7.3 diesel and have access to a Dodge Ram Cummins dualee. I don't find the brakes on either of those other trucks superior to ours. Subjectively, I sense, even with load, that the Armada stops better than the Ford, and at least equal to the Dodge.

The referenced Truck World test, which also included towing tests, bears this out.

So, I think that rotor diameter, swept area on the rotors, rotor thickness, caliper size, number of pistons, and all those factors seem to be just fine for our trucks. I think they are all Bosch parts, but could be mistaken as to the supplier.

The problem (for those who have had it) seems to be quality control from suppliers, rather than components which are not "beefy" enough.

Or am I just lucky? I don't think so.

casique · 01-20-2005, 01:52 PM

Armada, are the brakes in the Titan the same as in the Armada? Same size, etc.?

*Squid* · 01-20-2005, 01:59 PM

This thing will bring you from 70 mph to 0 so fast it'll suck the air out of ya.
That's not underbraked by any defintion of the word.

FLA-Titan · 01-20-2005, 02:05 PM

No trailer brakes on mine and the truck stops fine. Does dust alot though, I can see changing out the brake pads more frequently.

Armada · 01-20-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by casique

Armada, are the brakes in the Titan the same as in the Armada? Same size, etc.?

As far as I know the front and rear brakes are both the same for the Titan and Armada. I don't own a Titan, but I know the complaints about problems have been identical and the TSB's are identical.

casique · 01-20-2005, 02:14 PM

So maybe only the Infinity has the bigger brakes...

*Squid* · 01-20-2005, 02:22 PM

Lets remember that the Titan is a truck not a sports car or a Formula 1 race car.
(Damn Nascar, and their racing trucks.)
The brakes are not designed for racing.Compared to my Vette these brakes are tiny.
If your going to race it, the brakes need to be upgraded.

Armada · 01-20-2005, 02:50 PM

Same TSB's and complaints for the Infiniti. I don't think there is any difference in the brakes. I think we all have heard the rumors that Nissan is going to perhaps offer new or different rotors for the front as a warranty or future TSB. But new or different does not, to me, suggest that there was an inadequacy or a need for "bigger" brakes, just better attention to quality control. Maybe I'm mistaken.

love1u0 · 01-20-2005, 03:05 PM

Anybody ever compare the Titan/Armada rotor and caliper size to the big three?

radiokid · 01-20-2005, 04:11 PM

The issue isn't whose rotors are biggest its simply what the swept area is. I don't see this statistic mentioned too much when the subject of brakes come up much anymore. Years ago it was the standard to judge one from another.

adjmcloon · 01-20-2005, 06:36 PM

With my Armada, it's not the braking issues so much (although there's significant fade sometimes) but the fact that the rotors keep warping every 4k miles.