Importance of everyone wearing seat belts. - Page 2

TOK · 02-07-2005, 03:08 PM

I wear one, but that commercial struck me as a preachy load of unrealistic crap.

titanse05 · 02-07-2005, 03:14 PM

Not wearing a seatbelt/helmet is just plain stupid. Sometimes it doesn't matter, sometimes you get lucky, but you shouldn't take any unnessary chances. A seatbelt saved my life in a rollover accident.

**HudsonValleyTitan** · 02-07-2005, 03:21 PM

I would never call someone stupid for making their own personal decisions but....if you have loved ones, do it for them. Grieving a lost love one, especially to something this preventable, is simply gut wrenching.

edscholl · 02-07-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by titanloversinceday1

Not wearing a seatbelt/helmet is just plain stupid. Sometimes it doesn't matter, sometimes you get lucky, but you shouldn't take any unnessary chances. A seatbelt saved my life in a rollover accident.

oh please, that's a load of rubbish, and everyone that can think for themselves knows it (and this is coming from someone that wears a seatbelt when driving, and a helmet when riding). everyone takes "unnessary" chances all the time. do you wear a helmet while driving? it'd be safer y'know. do you install a rollcage in all your vehicles? no? but "you shouldn't take any unnessary chances"! you don't wear a helmet when walking around on the off chance you slip and fall do you? how about wearing a flak jacket in case you get hit by a stray bullet? wouldn't want to take any chances now!

gftitan04 · 02-07-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stlblues

Sorry, just can't do it. I'll start wearing seatbelts when I stop riding motorcyles, and that won't be anytime soon. My wife does most of the time, and my kids don't have a choice till they are 18. I've tried it, and its like country music, it just bugs the crap out of me.

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I find it kind of hypocritical to make your kids wear them but you don't. What would they say if something happened to you in an accident and you were injured or killed and later found out it was because you chose not wear a seatbelt? I think if you are going to make a child do something, you have to be an example.

I do believe in a right to choose, but I also believe common sense.

I just hope more than anything people don't get hurt or killed when they did not have too.

CoachBoone · 02-07-2005, 03:47 PM

I feel naked without a seatbelt on, and normally I like naked. But the pure physics inviolved and the fact that there is a finite amount of road space and more and more cars on the road......I always buckle up. My wife is a 911 dispatcher, and she's got plenty of stories to reinforce it too.

buzzkillwill · 02-07-2005, 04:03 PM

I was a cop for over five years and I can tell you-seatbelts do save lives. Yes, people do still suffer injuries, but generally not life-threatening-not the severe head injuries, which are the worst. And a more determining factor in MVA fatalities is the impact on the passenger compartment. If the pass. compartment isn;t impacted or compromised too much and you're wearing your seat belt, you have a greater chance of surviving, and surviving wihtout severe injuries.

Bill_n · 02-07-2005, 04:03 PM

I ALWAYS wear mine ... 100% of time ...

I'm a believer ....

But the only thing that I believe in more ... is an adult person's right to choose for themself what is ... and is not ... and acceptable risk ...

Letting the govt dictate to us ... through legislation ... what is and is not an acceptable risk starts us down a very dark path ....

Given the same collision conditions ....

Are you safer in a car without a seatbelt .... or on a motorcycle with all of the protective gear that you can muster ??

So ... you see ... on a "risk" basis ... motorcycles should be outlawed before seatbelts are mandated ....

Are ya willing to let them outlaw motorcycles because they are too "risky" ?

What about skydiving ... scuba diving ... drag racing ... etc ....

Let the law protect the children from the bad judgement of their parents if necessary ....

But let adults decide for themselves ....

Even if that decision is a poor one ....

buzzkillwill · 02-07-2005, 04:08 PM

Yeah let adults decide for themselves....

What about the families of crash victims-Victims who decided by themselves, and didn't think of their families. What about the healthcare system or the family member who has to take care of the paraplegic or worse, vegetable for the next 30 years because they made a choice.

I do agree with you about the big G and it's oversight issues, and I don't mean to sound preachy, but...somethings are a no brainer.

And just so everyone knows, the insurance companies push for a lot of these 'safety laws', to save them money from paying out claims.

*dilleyoshemp* · 02-07-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by edscholl

oh please, that's a load of rubbish, and everyone that can think for themselves knows it (and this is coming from someone that wears a seatbelt when driving, and a helmet when riding). everyone takes "unnessary" chances all the time. do you wear a helmet while driving? it'd be safer y'know. do you install a rollcage in all your vehicles? no? but "you shouldn't take any unnessary chances"! you don't wear a helmet when walking around on the off chance you slip and fall do you? how about wearing a flak jacket in case you get hit by a stray bullet? wouldn't want to take any chances now!

your missing the point, your going to the extremes, sure it would be safer to walk around the street with a helmet on rather then without one, but thats just nonsense

when you take part in certain activities its common sense to practice moderate safety precautions associated with the specific activities

for example, driving a car and wearing a seatbelt
riding a motorcycle and wearing a helmet
being a police officer and wearing a bulletproof vest
being a firefighter and wearing fire resistant suits

what your saying in other terms is, theres no point of practicing common sense, moderate protection of your body, because you could die either way

thats like a driver not wearing a seatbelt because theres a chance he or she might die, a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet because when you fall you might not survive even with it on, an officer not wearing a vest because he might get shot in the head instead of the vest, or a firefighter not wearing any protective gear because he may get trapped inside a burning building and die anyways

i cant believe some of you are so dumb as not to wear a seatbelt and dont even say, ohhh im offended, its my decision

practice common sense

ruauman2 · 02-07-2005, 04:29 PM

You guys crack me up! Wake me up when you reach a concensus. zzzzzzz

Bill_n · 02-07-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzkillwill

And just so everyone knows, the insurance companies push for a lot of these 'safety laws', to save them money from paying out claims.

Yes ... they do ... but it doesn't really cost them anything ... now does it ... we pay for EVERYTHING !!

And airbags have cost them ... and by proxy ... us ... hugely ....

Aside of the cost of replacing these airbags turning a $1500 accident into a $4500+ accident ....

The problem with the airbags is that they are indeed saving lives ....

People who would have died before the advent of airbags ... are now surviving .... with massive lower body trauma ....

So ... where the insurance company would have paid out a $50K death benefit .... now they are paying out hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical claims ....

And all of this is passed on to you & me in the form of higher premiums ....

Yep ... I'm just plain "giddy" wondering what will be next ....

buzzkillwill · 02-07-2005, 04:40 PM

At one point when I was living in Missouri, my insurance company raised my premiums, along with every other Missourian who had insurance with them, and why...beacuase they got approval from the state legislation to raise premiums to cover their pay outs.

edscholl · 02-07-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dilleyoshemp

your missing the point, your going to the extremes, sure it would be safer to walk around the street with a helmet on rather then without one, but thats just nonsense

no, i'm not missing the point- i agree with you 100%. it is nonsense, and that's what i was pointing out!

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Originally Posted by dilleyoshemp

when you take part in certain activities its common sense to practice moderate safety precautions associated with the specific activities

for example, driving a car and wearing a seatbelt
riding a motorcycle and wearing a helmet
being a police officer and wearing a bulletproof vest
being a firefighter and wearing fire resistant suits

you realize police officers don't usually wear bulletproof vests, right?

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Originally Posted by dilleyoshemp

what your saying in other terms is, theres no point of practicing common sense, moderate protection of your body, because you could die either way

didn't say anything of the sort.

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Originally Posted by dilleyoshemp

thats like a driver not wearing a seatbelt because theres a chance he or she might die, a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet because when you fall you might not survive even with it on, an officer not wearing a vest because he might get shot in the head instead of the vest, or a firefighter not wearing any protective gear because he may get trapped inside a burning building and die anyways

i cant believe some of you are so dumb as not to wear a seatbelt and dont even say, ohhh im offended, its my decision

practice common sense

i can't believe some of you are so dumb to think that's what i was saying.

Optimist · 02-07-2005, 09:17 PM

If you don’t want to buckle in that’s fine, but shouldn’t I have some say as to support perhaps a costly vegetative state? Meanwhile I realize the subsidies awarded to Hway funds through adoption & the political slime associated but still we know they work. Shouldn’t a common sense balance of risk activity while still minimizing the risk always be considered?
Before I started street riding 20years ago it was important to me to improve my odds. Acc. to the HURT REPORT http://www.clarity.net/~adam/hurt-report.html helmeted, carrying medical liability, along with prior off road riding along w/training history, times of day, void of modification, general demographic & clear of mind altering vises simply improves the odds, although in the end to control another’s actions I cannot do.

To not buckle in is your choice, but why shouldn’t you when the inconvenience is so trivial?