Can a Titan spank an Avalanche 2500HD with the 8.1L Vortec?

[NorCal 4x4]

[quote=DoubleDoubleFan][quote=rrumaner]

Originally Posted by SickWhip

You know I don't care if I'm new here. A moderator with a 'tude? Wow. You know one of the oldest sayings in the world?

"How do you know if two sail boats are racing... They are on the water."

I bought the Titan cuz' it's quick (for a truck) and handles half decent. Shrug. I thought it was an interesting question.

k.

Moderators are humans. Everyone says things sometimes they might not normally say.

Unfortunately, for all of us at times, there is a permanent record of what we "say" here. It's like a wife (spouse), with a photographic memory.

You may not have seen this. Roy apologized for his comments. There are several threads related to this, so it's easy to miss some of the background etc.

http://www.titantalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=279838&postcount=35

[falchulk]

Originally Posted by Armada

Indeed, the Armada is sold overseas and is shown on Nissan's own website as having "340 bhp"! Here is the link:

http://www.nissan-me.com/armada/arm_specifications.htm

I don't know the conversion factor on the torque rating.

I do think our engines are underrated, but the site makes it clear that in the Middle East, Nissan is publishing "SAE gross" numbers, not our SAE net which is lower.

Thats SAE gross, Not SAE NET!!! SAE gross is the old way of measurement with the accessories disconnected and an open exhaust. Its the same rating as our V8 in reality.

IL_insider, that "475hp and 700ish lb-ft torque" is rediculas. There is no way that just removing the eissions equipment could ever get that much gain. If someone really told you that, they are fools or take you as one.

[sc186]

Some engineer huh? I guess he must have missed all of his Physics classes and overlooked the fact that to make HP, you must process a given amt of fuel and air to produce so much work. Maybe an Engineering Tech., but im willing to bet not a true Engineer. Its like those turbo threads where a claimed 5 psi boost would raise power figures by 50%. Maybe if we started with 150 HP.

Ill pass it off as a misinterpretation of the difference between newtons, kW, and HP and lb ft tourq..

[glowinstrat]

i honestly think a titan could take one.but need less to say the tourq the avalanche puts out is quite a bit more.you still need to think of the skill of the driver,the gears,the mods and how much you will push the trucks.theres a kid that i got to school with and his mom has a 2500 avalanche i will ask him if he would be willing to race me.

[BAT1]

Originally Posted by SickWhip

One of the deciding factors for me picking the Titan over the F-150 was the power and speed. And I love the fact that when I pull up to an other truck at a light, that I can blow them away!

Let me guess...you're 16 years old and your dream car is a Mustang?

[Contra]

man i went ti HEB yesterday and an Avalanche parked next to me he opened his tailgate to put groceries in and i saw his tailgate was so flimsly and thin
it was almost embarassing (seriously)
i felt bad for him
to know how much he paid for it and it isnt even a REAL truck
it is a truck/car
it might as well ba a Ranchero or El Camino
but i am sure the 2500 hd is better
atleast for the price it better be

[Armada]

I'm surprised this thread is still alive. Has anyone checked Chevy's web site to find the curb weight of a 2500HD Avalanche with 8.1L engine?

Those trucks run between 6,000 and 6,500 lbs. empty, depending on whether it is 4x4.

There is NO WAY a truck that heavy is going to out accelerate a Titan if both trucks are stock.

We know the Titan engine is under-rated to begin with by at least 30 horses or so, based on dyno runs and performance figures.

The extra torque of the 8.1L may help get it going, but the weight difference here is enormous.

We are talking about over a thousand pounds more in some instances.

Ultimately, if you know true horsepower, performance turns out to be largely horsepower to weight ratio and gearing (including tranny splits and tire size). You can almost reduce it to a mathematical formula. HD Avalanche 8.1 would not have a chance.

HD Hemi Rams encounter the same problem and get smoked easily by Titans because of all that extra weight they carry around.

[BAT1]

Originally Posted by Armada

I'm surprised this thread is still alive. Has anyone checked Chevy's web site to find the curb weight of a 2500HD Avalanche with 8.1L engine?

Those trucks run between 6,000 and 6,500 lbs. empty, depending on whether it is 4x4.

There is NO WAY a truck that heavy is going to out accelerate a Titan if both trucks are stock.

We know the Titan engine is under-rated to begin with by at least 30 horses or so, based on dyno runs and performance figures.

The extra torque of the 8.1L may help get it going, but the weight difference here is enormous.

We are talking about over a thousand pounds more in some instances.

Ultimately, if you know true horsepower, performance turns out to be largely horsepower to weight ratio and gearing (including tranny splits and tire size). You can almost reduce it to a mathematical formula. HD Avalanche 8.1 would not have a chance.

HD Hemi Rams encounter the same problem and get smoked easily by Titans because of all that extra weight they carry around.

My guess is that someone driving a HD truck of most any brand could care less if they get "smoked" at a stop light by a Titan. When was it that buyers of trucks turned in to racers anyway?

[Armada]

I don't know when, but it is definitely a reality.

Just look at the number of HD trucks running around with aftermarket intakes, free flow low restriction (read LOUD) exhausts, and other mods.

And they are not reluctant to take on LD trucks at stoplights.

So the original question is a valid one, but the HD trucks need to realize they will lose to a Titan unless they have done a lot of engine work, or are running a chipped diesel. The weight is a killer for them unless they are running against their own kind.

But you don't want to hook up to one in a bumper pull contest.

[BAT1]

Originally Posted by Armada

I don't know when, but it is definitely a reality.

Just look at the number of HD trucks running around with aftermarket intakes, free flow low restriction (read LOUD) exhausts, and other mods.

And they are not reluctant to take on LD trucks at stoplights.

So the original question is a valid one, but the HD trucks need to realize they will lose to a Titan unless they have done a lot of engine work, or are running a chipped diesel. The weight is a killer for them unless they are running against their own kind.

But you don't want to hook up to one in a bumper pull contest.

I definitely don't want to get in an internet war, but I just don't see that here in Va. I DO see a lot of 1500's, 150's, Titans etc. modded out for racing, but the HD's still look to be trucks to me. To each his own.

[Hobart]

I'll put this one to bed.

I SMOKED a 2500HD Sierra last week..Same as HD Avalanche... intersection to intersection. Got him off the line and he ate my exhaust from there.

[Vyrus]

Originally Posted by BAT1

I definitely don't want to get in an internet war, but I just don't see that here in Va. I DO see a lot of 1500's, 150's, Titans etc. modded out for racing, but the HD's still look to be trucks to me. To each his own.

Which part of VA are you in? If you're in Tidewater, do I need to introduce you to the Powerstroke club? You wouldn't know it my looking at these trucks, since most of them are lifted and running 37"s, but they are almost all 700+hp. I don't see them racing much though, but they're out there.
-Cyrus

[glowinstrat]

Originally Posted by Vyrus

Which part of VA are you in? If you're in Tidewater, do I need to introduce you to the Powerstroke club? You wouldn't know it my looking at these trucks, since most of them are lifted and running 37"s, but they are almost all 700+hp. I don't see them racing much though, but they're out there.
-Cyrus

why dont you send one of them powerstrokes up hear to the NY.and i will show them what a true a$$in' is.

[Vyrus]

Originally Posted by glowinstrat

why dont you send one of them powerstrokes up hear to the NY.and i will show them what a true a$$in' is.

Are you kiddin? I'm scared to talk to them haha

[Armada]

Originally Posted by glowinstrat

why dont you send one of them powerstrokes up hear to the NY.and i will show them what a true a$$in' is.

With what? Many of them are running in the 12's in the quarter and some even faster.