2006 Changes for the Titan

[mick3643]

Originally Posted by blue73thing

Here's a riddle: if Nissan ( actually UD) already has a remarkably durable and torquey 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder diesel, why not put it in the Titan, or at least the Fronty. The UD 1400 trucks have a turbo intercooled diesel rated at 175 HP and 347 lbs/Ft of torque. They also have a reputation for 300,000 miles of service without significant maintenance. Why, then, can't we get one of these little jokers in the Titan. You won't go 'round whippin' the pants off any Hemi's but you'll pass them at the pump and at the service department many times over. Titan in it's 5.6 V8 form has 379 lbs/Ft of torque. Doesn't look like terribly significant advantage except when you want to blow somebody off the line. If I could drive 100 miles further on every tank of fuel I'd be happier than burning $2 every time I beat somebody to the next light. What do y'all think: Want one that works more efficiently for a longer service life, or want one that burns rubber but costs more every mile? I'm just curious what the market would reveal.

i think weight is the most significant factor in putting one of there current diesels in the titan. Diesel engines are damn heavy and would effectively squash the front end without a major redesign.

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by XXX_Titan

Ok, I know good facts. I have internal nissan knowledge. 2007 WILL NOT HAVE A 3/4 OR 1 TON! OR DIESEL! It will however have 15 more HP in 2007. They will also have "best in class" brakes in 2007. The 3/4 has been talked about and researched and they are estimating around 2010.

2010 is when I pay this sucker off. There should be a lot of improvements in ALL the truck lines by that time with the competition from us (Nissan), and now Toyota's new Tundra.

We all know that Chevy will still be a decade behind, but I never look at those junk vehicles anyhow...

[skytop]

Bassomatica:
I just sold my Diesel F350 dulie. The diesel option at Fawrd is about $4900. retail and less discounted. BTW, The new diesel is the one engine Fawrd has that is truly well engineered and marvelous to work/drive with. They got it right.

Nissan should be able to offer a diesel option for about $3K retail and make money doing it. Heck, they charge $2K for a navigation unit so $3K for an engine should be a cake walk for them.

[Bassomatic]

Originally Posted by skytop

Bassomatica:
I just sold my Diesel F350 dulie. The diesel option at Fawrd is about $4900. retail and less discounted. BTW, The new diesel is the one engine Fawrd has that is truly well engineered and marvelous to work/drive with. They got it right.

Nissan should be able to offer a diesel option for about $3K retail and make money doing it. Heck, they charge $2K for a navigation unit so $3K for an engine should be a cake walk for them.

I think the difference is that Furd gets their diesel from International / Caterpillar (?). Nissan would and could design their own diesel and put it in their truck. IMO--when you pruchase a Furd with a diesel, and Chevy, and Dodge, you pay for the truck, and then you pay for another engine. For me--I donn't need or want a 3/4 ton diesel, just something with enough power and some good gas mileage.

[FRD ETR]

Give me a diesel in a 1/2 ton any day of the week. In fact give me a diesel in the same length as my CC and I will be very happy. The Diesel factor is just about the only thing that makes me want to go back to Furd (nah, thats just crazy talk).

[supertitan]

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[Chris M.]

Originally Posted by Justintoxicated

No Big Change?

VDC (Vehicle Dynamic(?)Control) available on all, including with locking rear end

Great my 05 is going to be worthless after they do this. I don't have VDC.

IMO Buying a 06 over a 05 for the MP3 is ridiculous. The stock sterio will STILL SUCK Entirely. You STILL have to replace the stock HU to do any kind of upgrades. You can get a CD-player that plays MP3's better than the stock one for like $150 lol

Your right about the stereo.
I was in a $30,000 rental with an infinity sound system when getting my brakes done. That system sounded like crap compared to my aftermarket gear. I will never buy a vehicle based on factory audio specs.
Yesterday I thought my bass was not loud enough until a soccer mom knocked on my window and asked me to turn down my radio because she was trying to sleep (I'm thinking what the hell, I had my windows up). I took it as a compliment and told myself my system is now complete.

[Bayou Titan]

Originally Posted by Bassomatic

He also mentioned that for 2007, Nissan may offer a long bed Crew Cab if there is enough interest.

I don't think you will ever see this. The Titan is approx. 6" longer than a Suburban now. If you add more than a foot more to the bed on a crew cab it would be like driving a Winnebago.

Dodge chose to use a very short bed on its new Mega Cab to make more room in the interior.

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101775

[XXX_Titan]

You guys are all pretty close. I talked with my contact and he said 2009 for the Heavy Duty and it will only be a 2500. No word on engines yet. It is still in early design. They are considering a long bed, but wouldn't be till 2007 or after and take a major body change. Like you all been saying, that would be one long truck.

The diesel subject. Most all real truck guys know diesel is the best way to go for mileage & torque. But when you look at "market" and costs. Most people say "$4K for a diesel, no way". Until this county (US) gets to well over $3/gallon, diesel engines wont be a huge demand. Is anyone else putting diesels in small cars. Not really with two to three exceptions. VW TDI, Mercedes and 500 Jeep Liberty's per year as a test market vehicle. Everyone thinks that these stupid hybrids are the answer. But when you look at the global market, in Europe they are over $6/gallon and they all buy diesel, not hybrid. Just remember guys, the typical american buyer/consumer is stupid, un-informed and buy into "gimmicks".

[skytop]

I recently sold my diesel. It was generally a good experience. But to tell you the truth, the noise and ultimate smell of the exhaust did me in. The new 2003 6 liter Ford diesel had oodles of power and responsiveness but was still noisy (especially under load). Also, that wasn't the smell of roses or perfume coming out of the tail pipe.

I will stay with gas as long as possible. The mileage gain is not as dramatic as some would have you believe. I optimistically would state 20% mileage advantage depending on load and driving location. Severe city driving negates the diesel economy advantage. For a $4K to $5K option cost, you have to drive at least 50,000 miles before you can amortize that expense.

Unless you are hauling some heavy loads and need raw power for grades, and you drive the highways, diesel for the average user (in my opinion) is not an ideal option. Perhaps engine development will yet produce further breakthroughs so that diesel engines will become quieter, lower vibration and not stink. Some people swear by diesels but my neighbors swore at me when I left at 6 A.M. for work in my diesel waking them up. The diesels in Europe are tiny displacement affairs that are quite different than the monsters we demand here in the big, huge, U.S.A.

[Titan Fever]

You can get a long bed Chevy in the HD series with true 4 doors. I have a close friend who purchased a 2500HD series with 4 full doors and long bed. It's long, but in the country, we've got plenty of room for the turns, just not enough room in that 5.5 bed to pack enough stuff. I was really wishing that they'd spruce up the color line and stretch the frame and put the KC bed on the CC, and I would be a shoe-in for a 06. JUST FIX THE DAMN BRAKES ALREADY! I am tired of hearing about everyone *****ing about them. It's not like the technology is new.... Brakes have been around for centuries. Put monster rotors with six piston pots up front and 4 piston pots in the rear and let the ABS deal with the rest...

[skytop]

Chevy will be replacing their aging, obsolete current truck line:

"Silverado Truck Line- 2005 is a carryover year for the Silverado. In 2006, there is a good chance that GM will offer a nearly 400HP version of the 6.0L LS2 in a standard cab, shortbed Silverado SS. After that, the aging Silverado line will get a redesign in 2007 (GMT-900). Expect the usual increases in chassis strength, towing ability, and interior quality. Expect Chevy's current scowling look to look more "big rig" a.k.a Dodge Ram An optional 7.5L V10 powertrain will be added."

[EastAl]

Originally Posted by blue73thing

Here's a riddle: if Nissan ( actually UD) already has a remarkably durable and torquey 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder diesel, why not put it in the Titan, or at least the Fronty. The UD 1400 trucks have a turbo intercooled diesel rated at 175 HP and 347 lbs/Ft of torque. They also have a reputation for 300,000 miles of service without significant maintenance. Why, then, can't we get one of these little jokers in the Titan. You won't go 'round whippin' the pants off any Hemi's but you'll pass them at the pump and at the service department many times over. Titan in it's 5.6 V8 form has 379 lbs/Ft of torque. Doesn't look like terribly significant advantage except when you want to blow somebody off the line. If I could drive 100 miles further on every tank of fuel I'd be happier than burning $2 every time I beat somebody to the next light. What do y'all think: Want one that works more efficiently for a longer service life, or want one that burns rubber but costs more every mile? I'm just curious what the market would reveal.

I work at a Peterbilt dealership and we have a UD line that we sell also. As soon as I found out about the Titan my first thought was a diesel version won't be far behind because of UD(Universal Diesel which is a division of Nissan). I don't know any of the specs of the UD diesel engines(I work in Parts, not Sales), but I could easily find out by walking about 60ft. I do know that the engines in the smaller UD's are physically smaller than the 5.6 in the Titan. Nissan could definately make a UD version of the Titan with few changes in assembly down the line.
I honestly think Nissan would greatly benefit in a diesel version of a Titan, mostly because that's what they are going to need to do soon to keep up with Ford and Chevy. Ford and Chevy both are planning on dropping diesels into a 1/2 chassis sometime in '06. The demand for a diesel pick-up gets greater every year, Ford and Chevy are stepping up and if Nissan wants to stay in the full size pick up market they're are going to need to step up too.

I think if I get a chance I'll go see what the specs are for the different model UD's.

Bassomatic, Ford's diesel is all in house. The Powerstroke was something Ford started years ago and had pretty much completed it around the time Cummins came out with the 5.9 diesel. Being that Ford had a hand in the Cummins 5.9 they had first dibs in that engine going in a truck. But, Ford thinking that the Powerstroke would surpass the Cummins 5.9 in every way decided to option the 5.9 to Dodge. And I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that the Cummins engine in the Ram pretty much killed everyone else as far as diesel truck sales. Ford kicked themselves for the longest time but kept pushing the Powerstroke until finally(within the last couple years) the PS turned into a decent engine.
I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure Chevy's Duramax is a joint deal with Chevrolet and Caterpillar. I know Cat was talking about a 6L diesel engine for automotive application for the longest time, talk was that Chevy would definately get it, and then the talk stopped. SHortly after the Duramax came out.

Like I said, diesel engines are getting more and more popular. Not in the same applications that Europe and alot of the world use them, but above the car market and just below the heavy duty commercial market.

Latre,
Al

[HudsonValleyTitan]

Just adding 6" to the Titan CCs bed would allow for a 5th wheel hitch to be added (per the dealer), so adding to the bed doesn't have to mean adding a whole foot...although I doubt Nissan would go through all that for just 6 inches.
And I don't know where this info is coming from but, according to the few people I know at Nissan (one at Nissans design division in CA) claim that there will be a heavier duty version for 07 or 08. No engines yet but they do already have 2 diesels in mind. A V6 version may also be added but.....that's news we've all heard before and quite frankly, I don't see it. Another waiting game. I hope there are no big changes until much later, gives me a chance to pay this bad boy off!

[Titan Fever]

Originally Posted by EastAl

I work at a Peterbilt dealership and we have a UD line that we sell also. As soon as I found out about the Titan my first thought was a diesel version won't be far behind because of UD(Universal Diesel which is a division of Nissan). I don't know any of the specs of the UD diesel engines(I work in Parts, not Sales), but I could easily find out by walking about 60ft. I do know that the engines in the smaller UD's are physically smaller than the 5.6 in the Titan. Nissan could definately make a UD version of the Titan with few changes in assembly down the line.
I honestly think Nissan would greatly benefit in a diesel version of a Titan, mostly because that's what they are going to need to do soon to keep up with Ford and Chevy. Ford and Chevy both are planning on dropping diesels into a 1/2 chassis sometime in '06. The demand for a diesel pick-up gets greater every year, Ford and Chevy are stepping up and if Nissan wants to stay in the full size pick up market they're are going to need to step up too.

I think if I get a chance I'll go see what the specs are for the different model UD's.

Bassomatic, Ford's diesel is all in house. The Powerstroke was something Ford started years ago and had pretty much completed it around the time Cummins came out with the 5.9 diesel. Being that Ford had a hand in the Cummins 5.9 they had first dibs in that engine going in a truck. But, Ford thinking that the Powerstroke would surpass the Cummins 5.9 in every way decided to option the 5.9 to Dodge. And I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that the Cummins engine in the Ram pretty much killed everyone else as far as diesel truck sales. Ford kicked themselves for the longest time but kept pushing the Powerstroke until finally(within the last couple years) the PS turned into a decent engine.
I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure Chevy's Duramax is a joint deal with Chevrolet and Caterpillar. I know Cat was talking about a 6L diesel engine for automotive application for the longest time, talk was that Chevy would definately get it, and then the talk stopped. SHortly after the Duramax came out.

Like I said, diesel engines are getting more and more popular. Not in the same applications that Europe and alot of the world use them, but above the car market and just below the heavy duty commercial market.

Latre,
Al

Duramax is not a Cat engine at all, it is Isuzu. For confirmation of this information look here.
http://www.duramaxdiesel.com/01_features/sub01.htm

Why Isuzu?
Manufactured in the United States, Isuzu was chosen because of their design expertise, production capability and performance record for building high quality products. Isuzu is a world leader in diesel engine design and development, and has produced more than 13 million diesel engines in the past six decades