a warning about Amsoil and MLM companies

[4x4creature]

Okay I know that this is going to start a sh*t storm but I have seen too many amsoil discussion here of late, here is a collection of info that i have saved with some links with more info and you should get educated about the dealers and MLM companies and how they operate , most sites ban the promoter of these products right off the bat ......so here it is for those who will dare read and enlighten themselves. and I have more info on this if needed.

Amsoil preys on people by brainwashing them with a "get rich quick" scheme, which is how MLM companies operate...check out these URLs about MLM companies:

http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html

http://www.shop-money-time.com/main/id45.html

Two major problems with Amsoil:
1) Most of their oil products are NOT API certified, a requirement from ALL US vehicle manufacturer's for their warranty to stay valid.
2) Amsoil is a MLM company, which highly inflates the cost of their products!!

What does Amsoil offer that cannot be beaten in price vs performance by over the counter oils

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Why does Amsoil use two different test parameters with their 4-Ball bench test within their own line

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Why did Amsoil say moly was very bad to use in engine oil formulas for many years yet now use it in their oils

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Why does the Amsoil 30wts thicken so badly at relative low miles

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Why try to use their yearly oil interval they suggest with an oil filter change at 6 months when sometimes there are 4 quarts of make-up oil during that period

As most of their product is not API certified, they can add more of an additive if they feel it will make it better. Amsoil is a blender, meaning they do not manufacture their own product. They buy basestock from companies such as Exxon/Mobil and Chevron.

The Amsoil website is very deceitful, the wording making it sound like all of their products are API certified.....typical of a MLM company......Here is the
API URL showing which Amsoil products are API certified:

http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseI...LicenseNo=0995

[4x4creature]

Just some more info to share:

The four ball bearing test is an Amsoil advertizing ploy. It has no value to the conditions inside your engine and I would suggest that you forget all the hype over it.

why its excepted in europe and not here in the states

In Europe, they go by ACEA standards and we go by API standards. One major difference is that the API restricts the add pack, especially zinc and phos, better known as ZDDP. It has been suggested that it can be destructive to the emmissions systems on your vehical. Should you have any warranty problems, you are on your own. Also, should you have any major gassing, like condensation cook off, some of the ZDDP will gas with it. It will poison the cat converter and you may have problems passing an inspection of the emissions if your state requires the testing. Cats are expensive to replace. Folks in Europe don't have emmissions systems and therefore can run the extensive add packs. The bigger the add pack, the longer you can build the oil to last.

And here a great link for a study done on amsoil.a good read if you got some time

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/s.../oil-life.html

[TYTAIN]

I enrolled with Amsoil, and for the most part what your saying is true. The only Amsoil I have tried is the 75W140 Severe gear oil and it performed flawlessly(rear end don't go south). Amsoil sells everything to there dealer(they give nothing away), all litature, give aways, business cards. And they have had at least 3 price increases in the last 6 months. I never tried it because I don't belive in the extended interval and changing filters every six months( Marketing because this is the only way you can afford it). Mineral oil will last 7,500 according to manufactures, so why go thru all the expense for nothing. And it is true that they try to tell you how they don't cut corners, their product is best. But in reality is easier to buy Mobil 1 and cheaper. Hell, I still use dino myself, and I change it at 3750 to 4K. And it is true that they are not API rated.

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by 4x4creature

here a great link for a study done on amsoil.a [b]good read if you got some time

Great read, thanks for the link. I would feel a whole lot better about using Mobil 1 instead of Amsoil now. As unscientific as this study was, I believe it to be accurate enough to not find much fault with either brand.

[TYTAIN]

Originally Posted by Papa_D

Great read, thanks for the link. I would feel a whole lot better about using Mobil 1 instead of Amsoil now. As unscientific as this study was, I believe it to be accurate enough to not find much fault with either brand.

I can't speak for oil anaylsis on Amsoil, just there marketing program. There are companies that market MLM that have great products.As for the quality of Amsoil, I have to leave that to the oil anaylisis.

[4x4creature]

I just don't care for the approach that some if not most use, simply put if its not API approved and could void my warrenty. I don't need to hear about there product...mainly the engine oils. they just need to formulate it to meet the standards set by API, then they will have a leg to stand on , till then its a mute point of how good they think there product is.

[f00dstamps]

i put amsoil in my truck and the bottle said i coulda sworn the bottle said "API certified" on it.

[rcantu]

MLM's are viewed by many as pyramid scams and such which they're not. Primerica which was part of Travelers who formally was with Citigroup is a good example. Do you think a financial company would be fraudulent especially after all the bad accounting and conspiracies that have happened?

I can't say anything about Amsoil's products though since I have never used them.

[abmobil]

Amsoil could be API certifieed but it would cost amsoil money to have API.
Amsoil does make very good lubes but many of mobil 1s products are just as good and better in some cases.
Foodstamps, the amsoil you read probably said that it meet api standards but it probably wasent really certified. M1s line of EP oil are not certified but its a great product. Alot of oils that arent certified are really the better ones.
Like for example if it was say 2002 then it would be easy for the mobil EP line to be certified but they constantly change the standards and the oil companies are being forced to reduce additive levels like zinc and phosphorus which are both good antiwear components.
The EP easily meets GF3 SL standards but the new SM GF4 standards have reduced levels of additives. Some of the good additives that protect the engine can be harmful to the cat converter especially if you car burns oil but if you dont have a consumption problem I dont think theres anything to worry about.
To the government emissions is much more important than how long your car will last.
Most analyisis have shown most of the new GF4 oils to protect just fine. I just like the idea of having a additive packed oil.
There were concerns by japanese manufactures when SM GF4 was first realesed about the newer lower additive oils being able to protect engines with timing chains adaquately and that alone was enough to make me use M1 EP in my frontier since it does have timing chains as does the titan and many other nissan engines.

[tnbowhunter]

Yeah, AMSOIL, AMWAY, MARY KAY, TUPPERWARE, etc., etc., etc. All the same.
That's why I'v always used plain ole Penzoil, and change it ever 4K miles.

[rvandam]

Originally Posted by 4x4creature

.... Folks in Europe don't have emmissions systems and therefore can run the extensive add packs ....

You're kidding, right? No emissions systems in Europe? I can't comment on your whole AMSOIL story, but misinformation like this doesn't help your credibility.

Current standard is Euro IV: see wiki

[Bayou Titan]

Originally Posted by abmobil

Amsoil could be API certifieed but it would cost amsoil money to have API.
Amsoil does make very good lubes but many of mobil 1s products are just as good and better in some ares.
Foodstamps, the amsoil you read probably said that it meet api standards but it probably wasent really certified. M1s line of EP oil are not certified but its a great product.

Actually, Mobil1 Extended Performance is API certified.

[abmobil]

Those are the standards it meets but its not certified.
They are basically saying if your car calls for those specs then it is safe to run that in your engine.
M1s site reccomeds regular M1 for any vehicle under warranty becasue regular M1 is certified. There are very few warranty claims related to oil failure so even though my truck is under warranty it still gets EP.

[Bayou Titan]

Originally Posted by abmobil

M1s site reccomeds regular M1 for any vehicle under warranty becasue regular M1 is certified.

Actually, the Mobil 1 website states that the use of Mobil 1 in a mazda rotary engine will void the warranty.

[abmobil]

OK 1 oddball car. They will reccomend regular M1 fo 99% of the cars on the road that are still under warranty.